food for thought

[korbon2003]

a youmg man from witham who was involved in an bike accident on the A127.........................lukes story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk6lUMK85Hw

[STEALTH52]

poor bloke, Makes you think though...

[2E]

a youmg man from witham who was involved in an bike accident on the A127.........................lukes story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk6lUMK85Hw


'I bumped up the curbs and hit the bollards, i think my speed was a big factor'

That statement explains everything... and whilst i sympathise with the guy for his injuries.. if the crash had been a car drivers fault im sure more people would give a damn.. but through his own negligence and immaturity.. its a totally different story..:reading

I think this makes a good video though, hopefully it will show those who have just passed their test or want to go for the sports bike option that these injuries can occur, and just through an simple error of a misjudgement of speed it can stop your favourite hobby in an instant.

This is one of the reasons I do not ride sportsbikes/sportstourers as even though the insurance is cheap enough, i know ill be in the same situation where i think im untouchable and indestructable and probably will crash...

Anyway.. thanks for the link.. theres my 2 pence on it

[korbon2003]

your right stealth it does, especially when its so close to home

[STEALTH52]

'I bumped up the curbs and hit the bollards, i think my speed was a big factor'

That statement explains everything... and whilst i sympathise with the guy for his injuries.. if the crash had been a car drivers fault im sure more people would give a damn.. but through his own negligence and immaturity.. its a totally different story..:reading

I think this makes a good video though, hopefully it will show those who have just passed their test or want to go for the sports bike option that these injuries can occur, and just through an simple error of a misjudgement of speed it can stop your favourite hobby in an instant.

This is one of the reasons I do not ride sportsbikes/sportstourers as even though the insurance is cheap enough, i know ill be in the same situation where i think im untouchable and indestructable and probably will crash...

Anyway.. thanks for the link.. theres my 2 pence on it

Doesn't make any difference whatsover to what bike your on 2E, he lost control & it can happen to anyone...
The blokes learnt the hard way but whatever way you look at it, sports bike makes no difference, your bikes capable of doing speeds that could cause those sorts of injuries.

Would hardly call him immature.

[2E]

your right stealth it does, especially when its so close to home

Im pretty sure this is old news.. i swear to god ive seen that kid before on a poster when i was doing my test..:grin3

[STEALTH52]

Im pretty sure this is old news.. i swear to god ive seen that kid before on a poster when i was doing my test..:grin3

What has that got to do with anything?

[CBR-Dave]

poor fella, don't agree with the comment posted below the vid (on youtube), i think he's a brave lad who's trying to make good of his mis-fortune.
i think everyone needs a reminder from time to time myself included.

[S6BoiGaz]

2E,
i aint one to judge people but that accident could have happened to someone on a 50cc or 1300cc bike. So you could be riding a scooter or Hayabusa and still get the same injuries if your not riding correctly! So that could even happen to you on your GT550, not just someone on a Superbike!!

[2E]

Doesn't make any difference whatsover to what bike your on 2E, he lost control & it can happen to anyone...
The blokes learnt the hard way but whatever way you look at it, sports bike makes no difference, your bikes capable of doing speeds that could cause those sorts of injuries.

Would hardly call him immature.


Again i quote from the video 'it was a 600cc sportsbike which i had de-restricted and i shouldn't of really'

Sounds to me hes done the thing most kids do (and granted i would myself as well hence why like i said i dont ride these sorts of bike) hes thought sportsbike, speed, hammered it, misjudged the corner and almost his life.:grin3


Personally im not losing any sleep over the fact some kids lost some limbs riding like a twat on the a127 years ago and thats what im getting at.
im not saying its impossible to damage yourself on a slower bike or a 'non-sportsbike' as look at the damage i did at 30mph on a moped.. all im saying is know your limits.. i wont ride a bike i dont feel 100% comfortable on.

Yes its horrific, no i wouldn't wish that on anyone, but rules are there for a reason... this is why young riders are so high on the insurance risk factor because of people like this who think its funny and smart to de-restrict their sportsbikes and speed down dual carriageways.:grin2

This is why i decided against the ZZR, although it handled superbly and went like a dream it also went like a rocket.. which i cant justify... i want a bike i know i can control.. because personally, i want to be here to tell my grandkids about all the (broken) bikes ive had and ridden.:clap

Excuse the rant but its things like that which wind me up something rotten, id tell anyone who comes to me and says 'ooh i had 140mph up the a13 earlier' to grow up before they kill themselves...

Anyway Ride Safe People!!!!

[CBR-Dave]

accelaration has nothing to do with it, you could still take ya bike at a ton round a corner if you have enough straight road to do it.

he made a mistake which anyone can make so why judge him because of the bike.

[2E]

accelaration has nothing to do with it, you could still take ya bike at a ton round a corner if you have enough straight road to do it.

he made a mistake which anyone can make so why judge him because of the bike.

he made a mistake yes, but sometimes thats all it takes as you can see.. one mistake.. i go out on my bike everyday and before i go the first thing i do is say goodbye to my dad/mum/whoever im with at the time.. because i know the risks and i know that biking is a very very dangerous thing.:reading

i think im entitled as well as anyone to say this because ive been in this kids situation, i've been in hospital paralysed waist down.. (well.. top of thighs as the nurses found out..;)) and been told 'youll never walk again let alone ride' My mother was also told i was dead at the scene of the accident..

I got off pretty easy, but then i was doing 30mph (moped) but even then i still have a fractured spine which has affected me still 3 years on.:grin2

Whether its a sportsbike or a moped one mistake is all it takes, but watch it again 'my leg come clean off and went over into the other lane of traffic' now im no proffessor of physics but how fast must he have been going for that to happen??:reading

Yet you STILL want to defend him? WHY??:shooter

[STEALTH52]

Again i quote from the video 'it was a 600cc sportsbike which i had de-restricted and i shouldn't of really'

Sounds to me hes done the thing most kids do (and granted i would myself as well hence why like i said i dont ride these sorts of bike) hes thought sportsbike, speed, hammered it, misjudged the corner and almost his life.:grin3

Yes Stealth all bikes are capable of speeds, but the time it takes a 600cc sportsbike to get to 100mph and the time it takes my bike to get to the same speed is the difference between having limbs and not having limbs...
Personally im not losing any sleep over the fact some kids lost some limbs riding like a twat on the a127 years ago and thats what im getting at.
im not saying its impossible to damage yourself on a slower bike or a 'non-sportsbike' as look at the damage i did at 30mph on a moped.. all im saying is know your limits.. i wont ride a bike i dont feel 100% comfortable on.

Yes its horrific, no i wouldn't wish that on anyone, but rules are there for a reason... this is why young riders are so high on the insurance risk factor because of people like this who think its funny and smart to de-restrict their sportsbikes and speed down dual carriageways.:grin2

This is why i decided against the ZZR, although it handled superbly and went like a dream it also went like a rocket.. which i cant justify... i want a bike i know i can control.. because personally, i want to be here to tell my grandkids about all the (broken) bikes ive had and ridden.:clap

Excuse the rant but its things like that which wind me up something rotten, id tell anyone who comes to me and says 'ooh i had 140mph up the a13 earlier' to grow up before they kill themselves...

Anyway Ride Safe People!!!!


2E your the one that needs to grow up mate, the acceleration has fcuk all to do with it, he came round a bend too quick he admits that in the video, 2E you go round bends at 60-70 mph as any other rider does so therefore if you hit one of those bollards at that speed it will do the same thing to you if you lose control. Hopefully that wont happen BUT it has fcuk all to do with a sportsbike...you really are a fcuking idiot at times and boil my **** more than anyone i've ever met.

So what are you saying then exactly? Anyone that rides a sportsbike is not in control of it??? Everyone is in control it's called your wrist...

You seriously need to take a look at yourself before you pass judgement on others......

you are the prize village idiot without a doubt...do yourself a favour & keep quiet in future...No wonder why so many people get fcuked off with you...

[CBR-Dave]

lmfao

[2E]

2E your the one that needs to grow up mate, the acceleration has fcuk all to do with it, he came round a bend too quick he admits that in the video, 2E you go round bends at 60-70 mph as any other rider does so therefore if you hit one of those bollards at that speed it will do the same thing to you if you lose control. Hopefully that wont happen BUT it has fcuk all to do with a sportsbike...you really are a fcuking idiot at times and boil my **** more than anyone i've ever met.

So what are you saying then exactly? Anyone that rides a sportsbike is not in control of it??? Everyone is in control it's called your wrist...

You seriously need to take a look at yourself before you pass judgement on others......

you are the prize village idiot without a doubt...do yourself a favour & keep quiet in future...No wonder why so many people get fcuked off with you...


Now your just being childish and nit-picking, i never mentioned anyone from here or anything in general, my points have been clearly based on this video, i very much doubt that those injuries occured at 60-70mph, more like double that...

I never said anyone who rides a sportsbike isnt in control of it did I?
I said 'he' wasnt and that was the mistake.:grin3

[CBR-Dave]

you can lose limbs at much lower speeds that 60-70

[S6BoiGaz]

I dont belive the bloke mentioned what speed he was doing so for all you know he may have been doing 30mph when he had that accident!!

Basically what i think everyone is trying to educate you by telling you it doesnt matter what bike your on, or what speed your doing!

[CBR-Dave]

why couldn't i say that lol, can never put what i think into a simple sentance.

[STEALTH52]

Now your just being childish and nit-picking, i never mentioned anyone from here or anything in general, my points have been clearly based on this video, i very much doubt that those injuries occured at 60-70mph, more like double that...

I never said anyone who rides a sportsbike isnt in control of it did I?
I said 'he' wasnt and that was the mistake.:grin3

Im not being childish at all mate im trying to make a point but as usual you cant see it & dont want to listen.

Are you not all there or something???? you made a comment about the difference between the two bikes is the difference between having limbs or not...What a retarded comment to make....

The guy has had an off & come off in a bad way.....end of...

you don't need to be going that fast to have a bad accident, those bollards are well known for causing horrific injuries to bikers at low speed off's let alone high speed...

Please read your posts to yourself before you post them or don't bother...

[2E]

you can lose limbs at much lower speeds that 60-70

probably, but thats not my point, my point is mate for his limbs to be thrown into the other side of traffic he would of have to be doing some speed... or have ballistic-like legs which shoot off at the nearest sign of impact.:grin2

Personally id like to see a recreation, or meet this kid and ask him truthfully how fast he was going, the fact he says 'my speed was a factor' clearly indicates he was going above the limit...:reading

Anyway my point isn't to debate it, i didnt say sportsbike riders cant ride their bikes, i didnt say anything even along there lines, all i said was know your machine, i know what my bikes capable of, and i know how to handle it.... ive seen sportsbike riders who have made me drool with jealousy as they glide around corners with the bikes leaning at such an angle i could only dream of.. but at the same time ive seen idiots usually wearing nowt but trackie bottoms and (if your lucky) a cheap leather jacket zooming past me weaving in and out of traffic without slowing down an inch, and its things like that which really do my head in.

Sorry if anyone took offence, this wasnt aimed as a dig at anyone or anyones bikes in particular.. its just i really hate these things!:grin1

Debate over.:laughboun

[The Guvnor]

Immature is posting on MSN that EB is ****ing you off !!!
Immature is putting a sports bike rider at a different level to any other biker !!

Ive kept stum on stuff youve written 2E cos 9/10 it makes me giggle !

This time you cross the line !!!:shooter

My accident threw me 20 foot through the air, over a car ! I was lucky to be walking again.................and I was doing 25mph ffs !

I dont agree with the way some people ride, or what they get up too but then I have kids and see things at a different perspective ! But what you have said is wrong, he was a biker at the end of the day, and most stick together ! Its fine to have your own opinion but posting it is different !
It seems to me you are just trying to wind people up at the moment for whatever reason !
Probably listening to your uncle again !!!

No wonder your reputation is grey !!!!!!!!

The guy knew his mistake and is trying to make good of it.........

[STEALTH52]

Immature is posting on MSN that EB is ****ing you off !!!
Immature is putting a sports bike rider at a different level to any other biker !!

Ive kept stum on stuff youve written 2E cos 9/10 it makes me giggle !

This time you cross the line !!!:shooter

My accident threw me 20 foot through the air, over a car ! I was lucky to be walking again.................and I was doing 25mph ffs !

I dont agree with the way some people ride, or what they get up too but then I have kids and see things at a different perspective ! But what you have said is wrong, he was a biker at the end of the day, and most stick together ! Its fine to have your own opinion but posting it is different !
It seems to me you are just trying to wind people up at the moment for whatever reason !
Probably listening to your uncle again !!!

No wonder your reputation is grey !!!!!!!!

The guy knew his mistake and is trying to make good of it.........

Couldnt of put it better myself, at least the guys used his accident to make a short vid of what can happen....to make people think.

well said Guv...

[S6BoiGaz]

Well said!! :clap:clap:clap:clap

[2E]

Immature is posting on MSN that EB is ****ing you off !!!
Immature is putting a sports bike rider at a different level to any other biker !!

Ive kept stum on stuff youve written 2E cos 9/10 it makes me giggle !

This time you cross the line !!!:shooter

My accident threw me 20 foot through the air, over a car ! I was lucky to be walking again.................and I was doing 25mph ffs !

I dont agree with the way some people ride, or what they get up too but then I have kids and see things at a different perspective ! But what you have said is wrong, he was a biker at the end of the day, and most stick together ! Its fine to have your own opinion but posting it is different !
It seems to me you are just trying to wind people up at the moment for whatever reason !
Probably listening to your uncle again !!!

No wonder your reputation is grey !!!!!!!!

The guy knew his mistake and is trying to make good of it.........

If we all had the same opinion on something we wouldn't be human, as for trying to p!ss everyone off... yeah if you like....

yeah the forum does **** me off but im not immature enough to put it on my msn, that had nothing to do with the forum, it was initials of a mate who kept bothering me and a joke between friends.

Sportsbike, no sportsbike.. it doesen't bother me tbh, thats the third or fourth time this week somebodys decided to share the 'horrors of biking' videos so do excuse me for being a bit p!ssed off at them.... :shooter

Making people think, no, its telling us what we already bloody know for the umpteenth time.. it winds me up?? if i wanted to be told 'think before you ride' 'keep to the speed limits' and etc i would put my mother on the back of the bike not watch videos people think its funny to email me every f&*king day!!!:shooter

[S6BoiGaz]

It may wind you up but for some other people seeing that video makes them stop and think before riding when normally they wouldnt!!!

[2E]

'I bumped up the curbs and hit the bollards, i think my speed was a big factor'

That statement explains everything... and whilst i sympathise with the guy for his injuries.. if the crash had been a car drivers fault im sure more people would give a damn.. but through his own negligence and immaturity.. its a totally different story..:reading

I think this makes a good video though, hopefully it will show those who have just passed their test or want to go for the sports bike option that these injuries can occur, and just through an simple error of a misjudgement of speed it can stop your favourite hobby in an instant.

This is one of the reasons I do not ride sportsbikes/sportstourers as even though the insurance is cheap enough, i know ill be in the same situation where i think im untouchable and indestructable and probably will crash...

Anyway.. thanks for the link.. theres my 2 pence on it

Read again i said it was a good video, i was honest enough to say i dont ride sportsbikes as i would probably ride too fast for my own ability.. but again it got blown right out of context and i get thrown into a forum fist-fight. There was nothing wrong with any of what i said there.. people assumed because i mentioned sportsbikes, i meant something to do with them...:(

[S6BoiGaz]

But you first the forum fist-fights!
Theres expressing yuor opinion and then theres trying to aggrevate people! Personally i think your trying to do the second one!!

[2E]

But you first the forum fist-fights!
Theres expressing yuor opinion and then theres trying to aggrevate people! Personally i think your trying to do the second one!!

Again, everyones entitled to an opinion... if you believe i spend my whole time thinking of how to go on the forum and aggrevate someone else, ive had mister e think i was, when i wasnt now you lot.

Just calm down for christ sake.. why on earth are people so uptight on this forum?? we are supposed to moving this forward not stopping because someone has expressed a bit too much on an opinion and your reading too deep into it.:shooter

Fact of the matter is: hes a young lad, on a big bike, and didnt know his limit, he crashed, hes paying a horrible price for it... like i said i wouldn't wish that on anyone and so for people to ride safe.:grin2

[Lateshift]

This is why i decided against the ZZR, although it handled superbly and went like a dream it also went like a rocket.. which i cant justify... i want a bike i know i can control
Read that again 2E, regardless of all the nit picking, you seem to miss the one funademental factor that is relevant and common to any bike, and that is that it is you that controls the throttle!, if you are saying that you can't trust yourself to work a simple twist grip progressively i honestly think you should steer clear of any form of masturbation let alone something with two wheels and an engine :D

Also factor in that your green goddess wont handle anywhere near as well as a ZZR once you start looking at braking distances or cornering for that matter, so coupled with good throttle control the ZZR in the hands of similar novices will actually be a better bike.
So if you want a bike you know you can control, try a pushbike, i am sure with your fine physical fitness that speed isnt going to be an issue then regardless of how lairy you try to be ;)

the fact he says 'my speed was a factor' clearly indicates he was going above the limit
How does that 'clearly' indicate he was speeding? it may well be that speed being a factor meant the impact was more dramatic.
Speed and acceleration maybe a contributing factor, but its rapid decelaration that causes the injuries.


Anyway i dont want to see this getting so heated, i couldnt give a thruppeny bit about what goes on 'off' forum but when you start trying to justify yourself with half baked arguments that are actually self interest opinions and not entirely fact, then its little wonder that people wonder if you are trying to cause trouble, i know its probably just your argumentative nature and i havent got a problem with that but i really think you need to do as mentioned and read your posts first,

a. because people can pick holes in them quite easily
b. because you are becoming that sarcastic that someday you are going to find yourself in a right jam, and no-one is going to be interested whatsoever

You might not be interested in some kid that lost limbs on the A127 because he was riding like a "twat" but it doesnt mean to say anyone else really wants to hear that sort of comment on a bike forum ;)

It's that simple

[kasandrich]

I really cannot understand why everybody has it in for poor little 2E

I think he has a very mature attitude to biking for his age and from where I'm sitting the slatings he gets are simply because he does not ride a sports bike and condone doing stupid speeds.

He is only young, I think he sometimes struggles to express exactly what he feels or means, and doesn't put his point as well as he could, but allowance could be made for that due to his age. At least his gramar and use of the english language is good. Which is more than can be said of some others on here. Some just resort to personal abuse and expleatives.

I think some would do well to remember that he is just as entitled to his opinion as they are to theirs.

The point that immediately struck me was .......what on earth are those bollards doing there? Yes Luke had left the road so he was in for an off. Why is it much safer to come off a bike on a track rather than the road? It is because there is no unneccessary hard road furniture such as those bollards. If they had not been there (and I can see no reason why they are) then Luke may have just ended up in the hedge with some scratches on his bike.

This is road furniture with no consideration for bikers.

As bikers, rather than bickering over our differences in opinion, machinery etc, we should be uniting and canvassing against the bollards that ripped Lukes leg off.

Not to mention the highly dangerous and rapidly growing in poularity SMA road surface.

Have you seen the new trend for crash barriers? where rather than a sloped start, they have a block about 18" square with some high vis markings........just so you cannot miss seeing the item that is going to kill you as you head for it out of control. These look extremely dangerous to cars but especially bikes.

Focus your negative energies, your fellow biker is not the best place for it ;)

[bayonet]

I really cannot understand why everybody has it in for poor little 2E

I think he has a very mature attitude to biking for his age and from where I'm sitting the slatings he gets are simply because he does not ride a sports bike and condone doing stupid speeds.

He is only young, I think he sometimes struggles to express exactly what he feels or means, and doesn't put his point as well as he could, but allowance could be made for that due to his age. At least his gramar and use of the english language is good. Which is more than can be said of some others on here. Some just resort to personal abuse and expleatives.

I think some would do well to remember that he is just as entitled to his opinion as they are to theirs.

The point that immediately struck me was .......what on earth are those bollards doing there? Yes Luke had left the road so he was in for an off. Why is it much safer to come off a bike on a track rather than the road? It is because there is no unneccessary hard road furniture such as those bollards. If they had not been there (and I can see no reason why they are) then Luke may have just ended up in the hedge with some scratches on his bike.

This is road furniture with no consideration for bikers.

As bikers, rather than bickering over our differences in opinion, machinery etc, we should be uniting and canvassing against the bollards that ripped Lukes leg off.

Not to mention the highly dangerous and rapidly growing in poularity SMA road surface.

Have you seen the new trend for crash barriers? where rather than a sloped start, they have a block about 18" square with some high vis markings........just so you cannot miss seeing the item that is going to kill you as you head for it out of control. These look extremely dangerous to cars but especially bikes.

Focus your negative energies, your fellow biker is not the best place for it ;)Agreement on the 2E point. Those hi vis blocks at the end of the safety barrier are designed to crumple (crumpel? God, how do you spell crumple/crumpel, I've got an A grade O level in english language and everyday I forget how to spell a new word). Of course, crumple or not, it's still going to smart a bit if you ride into it.

[Dan]

hrm.... powerful video.
Would be good if people had to see something like that when they go in and do their theory test - it wouldn't hit everyone I don't think, maybe not even the bloke who was in that video, but it might help a small number think before riding beyond their capabilities.

Young, in-experienced biker, probably didnt work his way up the CC's on a de restricted 600 sports bike riding too fast. He didn't help himself really, although clearly luck plays a major part. He's damm lucky really that he didn't hit a car or he'd have had no chance.

What on earth are those bollards doing there anyway?

Very sad, for him and his family. Hopefully enough new riders on here will see it as well.

[NinjaMad]

Thats a moving video indeed, but major respect to him, for showing others dont do what he done, wear the right gear etc, and it will save your life... cheers for posting it, a great video, specially for new riders.....

At least his still here walking and talking, could have been ALOT worse

[2E]

hrm.... powerful video.
Would be good if people had to see something like that when they go in and do their theory test - it wouldn't hit everyone I don't think, maybe not even the bloke who was in that video, but it might help a small number think before riding beyond their capabilities.

Young, in-experienced biker, probably didnt work his way up the CC's on a de restricted 600 sports bike riding too fast. He didn't help himself really, although clearly luck plays a major part. He's damm lucky really that he didn't hit a car or he'd have had no chance.

What on earth are those bollards doing there anyway?

Very sad, for him and his family. Hopefully enough new riders on here will see it as well.


This is exactly what i meant in my initial post..! (i just cant word it as well as Dan:grin2)

[Stokesy]

Well I think the video has done it job and thats to refresh the thoughts that things can go wrong. Just makes me think I was very lucky last weekend, I dont know why my bike high sided me but I do no i'll be thinking of it for quite awhile. I'm just pleased I was only going slow and had the correct gear on when it happend, Unlike the PRAT I see today going though Maldon on a big bike with shorts and a vest type tanktop on, I was so blown away to even see what the bike was... But if that was you maybe you should watch this clip as I sure the rider in this clip didnt except to crash aswell.

[Becky B]

Well I think the video has done it job and thats to refresh the thoughts that things can go wrong. Just makes me think I was very lucky last weekend, I dont know why my bike high sided me but I do no i'll be thinking of it for quite awhile. I'm just pleased I was only going slow and had the correct gear on when it happend, Unlike the PRAT I see today going though Maldon on a big bike with shorts and a vest type tanktop on, I was so blown away to even see what the bike was... But if that was you maybe you should watch this clip as I sure the rider in this clip didnt except to crash aswell.


blimey i live 2min from tesco's went on bike to get shopping and still took the time out to put my leathers on

[STEALTH52]

blimey i live 2min from tesco's went on bike to get shopping and still took the time out to put my leathers on

Good attitude there Becky! pity some people don't do the same....

[2E]

Good attitude there Becky! pity some people don't do the same....

100% agree with that, actually held my dad up the other day when he said 'dont worry we're only going down the road no point shoving all your gear on..' i told him he'd have to wait, as knowing my luck the one day i decide 'its only five minutes' will be the last 5 minutes of my life... ;)

[falcophil]

That is an incredibly powerful reminder of how vulnerable we are!
The lad who did is is very brave, to both do the vid, and admit to his mistakes.
some how seems all the more real for being on a local road as well.
unfortuanatly a lot of motorbike accidents seem to occur on our main A roads, ie A12, 13 & 127.
Ride safe every one.

[Comfortably Numb]

Although I sympathise for the poor sod I don't get the point of the video? He may well have been speeding but those bollards are there just idiotic. I would imagine they'd mess up a car if it hit them so a bik has no chance even at low speed. If it makes us all slow down a bit then it's a positive thing but the video didn't exactly do the biking community a favour because it gave the impression the accident was 100% Luke's fault, which we have no way of determining. If there had been a decent biker friendly barrier there instead he might have got away with a few scuffs and bruises too. Putting the fear into people isn't the way to educate and encourage more responsible riding.

[two]

Good attitude there Becky! pity some people don't do the same....

i think folk can ride in whatever they like... they are adults afterall
(but i rarely get on the bike without wearing a cow)

but today i saw a bloke in shorts and t-shirt and trainers, which didn't bother me

what did bother me was the 10 year old kid on the back wearing the same
(even worse the guy clearly had a lack of throttle control and was so gerky... that boiled my ****)

[ukchopper]

I think something really needs to be done about these young lads who go and buy these big sports bikes on a restricted liecene then de-restrict them, this accident could of happened on any bike as pointed out already but I feel this could of been a big factor in this young mans misfortune.

The resrticted liecene is in place for a very good reason, we all know what these bikes are capable of and in the wrong or inexpirenced hands are just a accident waiting to happen. And this is coming from a fairly new rider who also has a 600 sports bike.

I think alot of the blame for these sort of accidents with new unexpirenced riders lays with the goverment, the training involved to get through a bike test is a absolute joke, after never being on a bike in my life i was able to do 4 days training, pass my test first time then go and buy any bike I so fancied and ride it on the road. Just in the few months I have been riding it I am well aware of how little I know about riding and how much there is to learn before I can feel comfortable and ride my bike safely. I think further training should be forced upon new riders, and if they dont do it their liecene is revorked. It sounds harsh but its better than the alternative.

[macbook08]

just wanted to say i kno Luke and as it goes i live opposite him...
and i just wanted to say that the accident hasnt put him off biking and hes going to be getting back on one very soon :rockon
watch this space.......

[mad minnie]

Pleased to hear he is recovering well. I am not a young rider, but ride a sports bike and most of the time too fast! Videos like this remind us all of our vulnerability. Please God it doesnt happen to any of us.
There really should be a campaign to get local authorities to look at what is on the side of our roads that can cause major damage to vehicles as well as people in the event of an accident. Those bollards are lethal!

[sammy-jo]

i feel so sorry for this poor boy i remember this accident as my mum works at the hospital and rung to check it wasnt one of my friends.
hes actually on the "think" (i think thats what it was) posters, they have one in the waitin room at the testing centre.
accidents happen sometimes your able to get up and walk away from it other times isnt so lucky it just happens.
im a strong believer in when its your time to go....
ive lost 2 friends to bike accidents one was a complete accident and was killed by a woman doin a u turn in the middle of the road-he was 3 mph over the speed limit. another was in town another accident he was comin round the corner of market roundabout and lost control and hit a lampost head on.
both the accidents havent put me off riding but have made me be more aware of things like road surfaces, weather conditions, cars even other bikes.
i think luke is very lucky and at some point when/if he does get back on hes probably gonna look at bikin in a completely new way..hopefully he'll do some more posters etc to get other people thinkin of the dangers.
*essay over* lol

[macbook08]

yea his mum dad etc etc arent to impressed with him but biking is in his blood.....hes wants a 600 tourer then after a few years he wants to get back onto a sports bike not just straight away......
he does alot of work with essex police and there getting him a bike:clap

[sammy-jo]

well hes a braver person then me, i think if i had an accident that bad i dont kno if i would be able to get back on a bike.
well done him tho for turnin it into a positive and showin others what can happen.

[Road Kill]

i admire his attitude , getting back onto a bike again :clap would be good to hear his comments on the forum thread sometime though

[unionjack]

This clearly demonstrates yet another council's brainless approach to road safety where their answer to potential dangers is to put up yet another obstacle that can maim and kill. Ok so matety boy ran out of talent but his injuries may have been far less had the bollards not been there. I'm sure a car would come off very badly if it hit those. Across Europe they are implementing a zero deaths policy which means crap like this are removed and some intelligence is applied to solving accidents spots.

[mad minnie]

Well hopefully that would be the first EU directive to make some sense!! Lets keep our fingers crossed

[BOXER]

I'm sure a car would come off very badly if it hit those.

i saw a merc hit 1 a few years ago on the A406 Southgate area and it was smashed to bits and the chap driving was`nt speeding as it was by a set of lights.

[ukchopper]

The councils are too busy putting in ileagal sized speed humps, chircanes and stupid round abouts on roads where there aint even enough room for a round about where I live to worry about saving another biker or other motorist. You wouldnt believe that we pay the council to work for us would you when all they do is dictate, persecute and generally trying and make our lifes difficult.

[Lukaz2205]

that was bad ish. but i can't believe this is real....but it is i looked it up and it shows diff pics.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=06KvVvVQ1Mc&feature=related

[sammy-jo]

omg!!
i was half expectin one of them scary faces to pop up. amount of people who sent vids like that then an exorcist face pops up screamin...

[Gixxerjock]

That is fcuked up, hard to believe he survived though!

[Gixxerjock]

I have seen a lot of scary vids on the internet about bike crashes etc. Does make me think and i have lost a lot of friends through bike crashes and a lot of other things.
But im not going to stop living my life because of that, i love the adrenalin buzz of various risky sports. I do ride fast sometimes but that is the risk i take everytime i get on a bike and if the worst happened then i went doing something i love. You never know what is round the corner.
That is only my outlook but maybe i have my reasons to feel that way

[Lukaz2205]

I have seen a lot of scary vids on the internet about bike crashes etc. Does make me think and i have lost a lot of friends through bike crashes and a lot of other things.
But im not going to stop living my life because of that, i love the adrenalin buzz of various risky sports. I do ride fast sometimes but that is the risk i take everytime i get on a bike and if the worst happened then i went doing something i love. You never know what is round the corner.
That is only my outlook but maybe i have my reasons to feel that way

i like risky sports and i love the adrenaline rush too...but i love gettin my leg over on the missus and if that was a sport a motorcycle would be the last thing on my mind. but sayin that there is a monthly gap......

[superstacker]

The scary videos don't have any effect on my riding at all. It's in my family and in a way its a part of who I am. As you say, it could all end tommorrow so why give up something you love?

[Lukaz2205]

The scary videos don't have any effect on my riding at all. It's in my family and in a way its a part of who I am. As you say, it could all end tommorrow so why give up something you love?

its like that with me. dad used to race and i grew up around it, its never gonna change me, only time it did was when i got a phobia of driving down a road where a car pulled out in front of me and i landed head straight down into the tarmac and got piledrived. only lasted year and half but i can drive down there now, still wary as **** though

[RaceMeNSee]

Wow....i didnt see this the first time around...What a poor guy! To be Frank....this could have happened to ANYONE! That was a fast flowing road, and those bollards arent anyones friends! In all honesty i really feel for this guy, and im impressed that he has tried to make his misfortune help others. I to took my restrictors out of my bike straight away! I wont lie about it! However the bike was still capable to doing super illegal speeds evan restricted! I only did it as my bike did NOT breath right restricted and i didnt see the point in paying all the extra money and having to ride something with possibly a slower 0-60 time than an RS125 on L's?! I hope he gets back on a bike soon, and i wish him all the best!!

[jon K1 gsxr]

you can lose limbs at much lower speeds that 60-70

I knew someone that lost his leg in a accident he was doing 10 mph.

[jon K1 gsxr]

he made a mistake yes, but sometimes thats all it takes as you can see.. one mistake.. i go out on my bike everyday and before i go the first thing i do is say goodbye to my dad/mum/whoever im with at the time.. because i know the risks and i know that biking is a very very dangerous thing.:reading

i think im entitled as well as anyone to say this because ive been in this kids situation, i've been in hospital paralysed waist down.. (well.. top of thighs as the nurses found out..;)) and been told 'youll never walk again let alone ride' My mother was also told i was dead at the scene of the accident..

I got off pretty easy, but then i was doing 30mph (moped) but even then i still have a fractured spine which has affected me still 3 years on.:grin2

Whether its a sportsbike or a moped one mistake is all it takes, but watch it again 'my leg come clean off and went over into the other lane of traffic' now im no proffessor of physics but how fast must he have been going for that to happen??:reading

Yet you STILL want to defend him? WHY??:shooter

we're not defending him people are just saying that the kid made a mistake and that it could happen to anyone, yet your saying that because he was on a sports bike he got these injuries which we all know isn't factual he could have been on a scooter and this happend.

[Lukaz2205]

we're not defending him people are just saying that the kid made a mistake and that it could happen to anyone, yet your saying that because he was on a sports bike he got these injuries which we all know isn't factual he could have been on a scooter and this happend.


Thats true im with Jon K1 GSXR on this one. it just shows, i de restricted my ZX6R the first time round i was on it. and i had no problems, if anything i could ride it better. but to be truthful, i think what the guy in the vid is saying is, "you dont realise how good we've got it" and "you dont realise how much you love something/someone until its gone." and to be watching this guy who had his love of riding bikes taken away because he had it derestricted doesnt sum up anything, yeah it was much faster but to be honest i reckon even if it was at 70mph when the leg came off it coulda flipped it on other lanes.

just glad he was wearing proper gear. imagine the damage he coulda had without it, the jacket was holding his arm on!

[RaceMeNSee]

Thats true im with Jon K1 GSXR on this one. it just shows, i de restricted my ZX6R the first time round i was on it. and i had no problems, if anything i could ride it better. but to be truthful, i think what the guy in the vid is saying is, "you dont realise how good we've got it" and "you dont realise how much you love something/someone until its gone." and to be watching this guy who had his love of riding bikes taken away because he had it derestricted doesnt sum up anything, yeah it was much faster but to be honest i reckon even if it was at 70mph when the leg came off it coulda flipped it on other lanes.

just glad he was wearing proper gear. imagine the damage he coulda had without it, the jacket was holding his arm on!



Perfectly said! The same as me - and i agree with everything! lol :rockon

[Lukaz2205]

Perfectly said! The same as me - and i agree with everything! lol :rockon

just doin my bit for the motorcyclists of the world

[superstacker]

Do bear in mind 2E's comments were made about 5 months ago.. this isn't a new thread ;)