Ducati 748 Biposto For Sale

[harriebird]

1997 R reg, 16100 miles, in extremely tidy condition. has done 1000 miles in my ownership, bought in February this year. Up for sale for £3500.

Belts changed (part of big £700 service) last August. Plenty of service history, book has all the right stamps in, plus a big bundle of receipts etc.

Front tyre - Supercorsa, fitted new when i bought the bike, has done about 1000 miles.

Rear tyre - Supercorsa, brand spanking new (except riding it home from mechanic's!)

Extras i have put on include a gorgeous carbon fibre key guard and a Ducati Corse tank protector. I also have available a red powerbronze hugger if you can get the bracket to fit!!!

It has a Datatool Veto Evo alarm fitted (my insurers wouldnt cover me without this)

I have also got a Hagon lowering shock available (extra cost)

most of you know the recent history of this bike, i have had no mechanical issues apart from the worn out clutch plates which have been replaced with geneuine Ducati parts, and the leaky clutch slave cylinder which has been replaced with the recommended upgrade.

this bike will be sadly missed but it just isnt for me. I would love it to go to a new home where it will be looked after and cherished.

PM me for more details

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[gixer400]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

sorry to hear its not your cup of tea harrie. hope the sale goes well

[DoodleBug]

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[crescent750]

So why you sellin up..??
thought this was ya dream bike.
What ya lookin for next then...??

[harriebird]

the thing about dreams is that sometimes when they come true they just aren't what you wanted after all....... i'm pretty upset about it but have made the decision and it's the right one.

not sure what is next, i took a beautiful, immaculate 95 blade for a test ride today but just didnt feel quite right. admittedly not a very long ride but enough to know (i think!)

i really don't know what to do now, I love my CBR400 to bits and will keep him for work and trackdays etc but I want something else to play on too.

[DoodleBug]

Mito? :grin2

[gixer400]

zxr400 ;) i know of one thats up for sale soon.

[harriebird]

zxr400 ;) i know of one thats up for sale soon.

i've already got the best 400 in the world i'm afraid :grin2 he is one bike they will have to chisel me off before i will part with it!

[rembrandt]

harrie if you want to stick with a V twin I can recomened the aprilla rsvr I love mine to bits

[DoodleBug]

VFR750, you know you want to!

[Lateshift]

Its a sad affair Harrie but i think you are doing the right thing personnally, i know its probably hard after having set your heart on one and i do hope this doesnt sound like i am trying to teach you to suck eggs, but its difficult enough trying to get used to a Twin as it is without the feeling if its the right size and wondering all the time if its really comfortable enough for you to feel part of the bike rather than being perched on it.

Not too sure what to say about the Blade, i would have though that whilst the height and weight arent much different to the Babyblade (in fact the 95 Blade is arounsd 20kilo lighter than the 748) its quite a long riding position given that the 95 was the Blade that really set the world alight.

This might sound daft, but have you considered getting another 400 at all? (in fact that probably isnt a progression really) what 600's have you tried??? there must be something out there that has caught your eye, that is easy on the height and easy enough to lower to the correct height and still keep the feel of the bike?

[The Guvnor]

get the K6 600..........trust me youll love it............H, please stay away from the blade..........no disrespect to you but trust me the 95 blade has a mind of its own, it is the true hooligan tool, and although I would love to see you wheelie past the pub at 90mph I would worry bout you !
I agree with the pres....go for another 400 if anything, they fit and they are still quick !...........but if you do go for a K6 dont get the blue and white.thats mine !x

[SDM]

Harrie have a stroll down to Pease's and test ride that GSXR600 K6, now that is a nice ride, Dawn sat on it and she can touch the floor on this model, she could just about reach the floor on tiptoes on the old model.

I like the looks of the 999s but I dont think that I would like to have one, its not the fact its a Ducati its because its a V twin, and I dont like the way they ride.

Its a bit like Marmite, you either love it or hate it..................

[Lateshift]

Troy Bayliss, Gregorio Lavilla and Leon Haslam seem to love the twins though ;)

and lets face it a twin is a bike that you have to work at not work with ;)

[SDM]

Correct..............and I don't like work............:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1

I didn't get a figure like I've got working............:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1

[Lateshift]

Kev, you need to try a new V Twin m8, i dont think my one handles any differently really, i just have extra braking from the engine, the semi slipper clutch thats fitted means i can scream into a corner and just kick it down as long as i am off the throttle, gone are the days of the big twins kicking like a mule when you knock it down a cog ;) :D

mine is settling in well and is a world apart from the older one i was riding, point and shoot is a totally new meaning :D

[harriebird]

yes it is looking like a K6 would fit the bill at the moment, but it's just a case of the money. phil seems to be feeling my pain now as even he said maybe i should just get something newer if it fits.

sorry but i really don't understand why i'd want to get another 400 when i already have one that i love and will hopefully be keeping?!!!

i've sat on pretty much all the newer 600s now - bonnett's CBR is lovely but too tall and too big, becky's R6 is lovely and less tall but just not my thing, the K6 will fit a treat i know because i kicked Doodlebug off them all at brands and they were pretty good fit, i sat on grinch's 05 636 which was probably a similar height to becky's R6 but i personally am not a kawasaki girl....

I sat on Micky's K5 which felt nice too, definitely the smaller of the 05 bikes. there are some good deals to be had on the K5 750 by the looks of it so i'm going to check it out.

i want to start doing a bit of travelling (hesitate to use the word touring because it sounds so old and sensible) and while the 400 will probably go on forever, i just want something with a bit more zip for those long motorway miles.

the 748 at the end of the day is an out and out race bike, i feel i can ride it well and everything but it's just not versatile for what i want. it's hard work in town, the clutch (and i quote another source) "requires the jaws of life to operate" and below 4k it handles like a shed!!!!

thanks for listening folks, keep the suggestions comng, i will probably bat them aside swiftly but banter is where it's at huh....

and why do you think i wanted a 95 blade guv ;) maybe it's time to unleash my inner hooligan hahaha

[SDM]

I have heard that the Yamaha Dealer in Brentwood (not sure of the name) have a GSXR600 05 like Micky's for sale very low mileage and its at a very good price!!!!!!!!!!


Or what about the SV650....................

[harriebird]

i know everyone raves about the SV650 but it doesn't float my boat at all.

it has to be a rip your arms off sportsbike, with fairing!!!!

[SDM]

Harrie I found the address for you................

GP MOTORCYCLE CENTRE

5 CROWN STREET
BRENTWOOD
ESSEX
CM14 4BA
Tel 1: 01277 233744
Fax: 01277 212423

[harriebird]

thanks, i googled it and thought it must be that one but their website is v slow and i couldnt' find used bikes on there (maybe being blind tho....)

do you happen to know what colour it is? i know it's a girly question but these things are important :grin2

orwells are doing K5 750s for £6495. if i can get them to do £6k then i could jsut about afford it i think. but obviously i'd have to test ride it first....

[SDM]

I was told about it Sunday by the mechanic who works there, I think he said it was the blue/white model it had less that 500 mile on it and it was about £4500

[DoodleBug]

mine is settling in well and is a world apart from the older one i was riding, point and shoot is a totally new meaning :D

err, don't you dare start besmurching the older RSVRs!

Cant go wrong with a gixer harrie and that one SDM has found sounds like a steal!

[SDM]

I only hope that the mechanic is a teller of the truth, I dont like giving duff infomation.............

[Jetski]

Having fought you H to have a sit on the gixxers at Brands, I think it's a perfect choice and if I firstly had the money and secondly had managed to get anywhere near being at one with my 400, I'd go for the K6 600 (the extra 125cc probably isn't a necessity, but if you want it, have it :) )

So, I think the decision is pretty much unanimous then? :D

[The Guvnor]

There is half a second difference 0-100 between the k6 600 and the 750 !......if you can notice that then you should be riding BSB. If your looking at about 6000 you can get a K6 for 6295 otr. If you haggle you could prob get it a little less ! The best thing to do is test ride both, wich is what i was gonna do but as soon as I rode the 6 I realised I didnt need any more power than that puts out................not yet anyway !!:laugh1

[MickyGixer]

GSXR600 - You know you want it!.........:bike2

[J-Gates_ZX6RNinja]

I would be intrested... gotta sell my baby first tho

Gonna be hard to part with old faithful!

:(

[Lateshift]

Not too sure what the attraction is about the 750 Harrie, the 750 is the out and out bike to have but as Kev says, if you can notice the difference between the two bikes apart from slightly higher insurance i will be shocked, the K6 600 is "the" 600 to have at the moment, the 750 is just an extra 150cc crammed into the same frame,

fuel consumption wise it wont be any different really i can assure you, its just my tuppence and you will probably get defensive about it, but in this day and age there isnt much use for anything over 600cc on the roads, even they are becoming totally track orientated and will do just as much as the 750 and the 1000 will for what we use them for, but on the bends you have a slight weight saving there ;)

If i am truthful the only reason i have got an RSV1000 is because i didnt want a 749, a 1000cc twin is slightly overboard but there isnt a great deal to choose from in the twin department as you are aware, but a K6 600 was my next choice :D

[harriebird]

the attraction is basically that it's a big f**k off sports bike that you dont see many lasses on!!!

i'm sorry if i'm being defensive all the time ;) but i have considered all the issues etc and am just thinking out loud. so many people have said "well what you really want is (whatever they think a five foot girl should be riding, normally a hornet or a 400) a one of these" without listening to what my issues are, that it's now an automatic reaction to someone suggesting sensible things too.....

but yes i know realistically i wont see any of the performance gain etc. and i think i'm cool with that. in fact i know i am. maybe it's time to accept that i am a small female and just choose a bike that fits me not make a statement about what i think about the world etc or buy into a dream that;s not so good in reality....... very deep all this isn't it!

i'm off to parky's in a bit, they will hopefully do a good deal with my 748 and they have always been very helpful. i will make a big song and dance about wanting to buy the bike from them rather than orwells and see how i go.

guv, it's good to know that there are some deals to be done so cheers for that xxx

[Lateshift]

i'm sorry if i'm being defensive all the time ;) but i have considered all the issues etc and am just thinking out loud. so many people have said "well what you really want is (whatever they think a five foot girl should be riding, normally a hornet or a 400) a one of these" without listening to what my issues are, that it's now an automatic reaction to someone suggesting sensible things too.....



i hope you will forgive me for saying this, and i certainly hope it doesnt sound condascending (sp? :D ) because its not meant to sound like that, but that statement just smacks of "small person" syndrome to me, i can appreciate that whilst you seem to be under the impression that people are suggesting sensible bikes here (not that i have seen any of the kind you are talking about mentioned :D ) but i think it comes down to the fact that you went a bought your dream bike, a big 200kg 748, and whilst you might have felt right about it at the time, it clearly was too heavy for you no matter how you lower it, raise it or whatever 200kg, is unfortunately 200kg (oh and that is the dry weight its nearer 225kg when you stick a tank of fuel in it).

The point i am getting at, is riding and all the advice we see on here about riding to your own ability, never trying to exceed what you know you are capable of, pretty much applies to the bike aswell, not just in the weight of the bike but also the engine size and i think the engine size is only reflected in this context because most of the bikes that are easier to manage fall within that category.

A point to consider, and i havent looked into this, what is the dry and wet weight of the 600's compared to that of the 750? does it have a larger tank at all that will make it heavier when full? more importantly will the slightly less powerful engine make the bike easier for a lighter person to move it through corners because lets face it anyone and i do mean anyone can ride fast in a straight line, its all about being smooth through a corner, that not only makes riding fun but also fluid.

The point i am making there is though that to be smooth you have to be 100% comfortable with the bike and feel a part of it, you know yourself that if something doesnt feel right then it upsets everything, confidence included.

Now bear in mind that a 750 over a 600 is just a number now, factor in the extra insurance the extra cash for bike, the extra fuel that the same journey on the larger engine is going to use, the slight weight gain from the bigger bike then my head would be saying, why put myself through all that?

My heart would obviously be saying sod it, get a 750, but i think you need to really consider this properly not only for your ridings sake but also for the financial reasons.

2p, maybe not well spent and probably taken in the wrong way because its been clear to me that you have a defensive side to you, in so much as i get the impression that you feel that size shouldnt matter, but unfortunately it does and i totally understand where you are coming from, i just dont want to see you end up getting something that you can't get on with and being out there riding something without 100% confidence in because its supposed to be fun and not a concern :(

If i have overstepped the mark then feel free to berate me, i can take it and will probably deserve it if i have touched a raw nerve, i just dont think you have anything to prove to yourself or anyone else for that matter ;)

[harriebird]

ouch, that has gone a bit far but these things will happen.

actually i was trying to acknowledge all the superb advice i've had, and say that yes sometimes i do tend to ignore it becuase i want to do things my way and have to learn the hard way as a result. so it was trying to apologise for my defensive side.

but yes raw nerve has been touched.....i get a bit upset with me bikes when they're not going my way so it's more me needing to chill out a bit i think.

mick i was trying to say that i appreciate everyone's opinions.

[The Guvnor]

H, get a price on your duke. Then pop to peases and see what they offer !......if im honest the last thing on my mind was buying a new bike. I tried to sell mine for a while, wrong time of year I admit, and a few people who want something for nothing (you now who you are) said I was asking to much ! Well I new I wasnt..........anyway.........they gave me a price for my kwak and I snapped the blokes arm off !.....shop about hun....at least until you get what YOU want for the bike. As the pres said....dont get something just cos it sounds better when you say it. The main reason I got the 6 (apart from dollar) is cos I now if I get a bigger bike I will try to use it and probably stack it !!!!!.......all im trying to say is..........and trust me on this..........600 is fast enough !! ....it wheelies in 2nd of the throttle for gods sake !!!:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 :clap

Oh and lastly..........the 600 and 750 are exactly the same size........so........do what i did...........take the 600 stickers off........no one can tell !!!!:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1

Whatever you decide hun. Good luck...xxx

[SDM]

I rode that K6 and I went like the wind with ME on it (FAT BLOKE) for those who don't know me.................:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1

[ALBERE]

yo harrie i mite be interested in ur ducati ill get bk to ya

[Juvenilerider]

I think you should get what ever makes you smile, screw the money. You don't work 5 days a week to not enjoy it! Everyone's got bills, but if you can afford it, even at a squeeze I think you should go for it!

On a different note, the difference between the 6 and 750 isn't all about top speed and accleration, the 750 makes another how ever much BHP and handles exactly the same, and only weighs a few k's more, so I think you would really notice the difference coming out of the bends. Not saying the 600 isn't sex, and fantastic, and lovely, and good looking, and an out 'n' out racing machine, but i'm pretty sure you'd notice the difference between the two.3

Kev' just imagine getting on the GSXR tomorrow and it being a 750, you would know about it.

[DoodleBug]

Listen to him, hes torqueing sense!

[Juvenilerider]

Listen to him, hes torqueing sense!

Some what scary, no? :D

[two]

get a fireblade ;) you know you want to... it'll keep your other cbr company at night ;)

agree with juvie, you would notice the the difference between a 600 and 750 gixer.... the 750 almost pulls like flaming litre bike
(which means you can be lazy...don't have to change gear as much ... etc)

[The Guvnor]

I agree I would notice the difference. But if you read what I actually wrote it says .....if I had it id use it and probably stack it !The difference between my kwaka and the new gixer (fuel injection !) is more than enuff for me to get on with. Once I am 100% confident with what I have then I will move to a faster bike and start again ! ....That is talking sense !:reading

[auroredj]

H, make you're own mind up luvvy, take them all out for a test ride and see what feels best, everyone has their opinions but at the end of the day, all that matters is how comfortable and at ease you feel with the bike. Nobody can ride the bike for you, it has to be your decision and your decision alone. Saying that, I hold my hat up to you for admitting that perhaps the Ducati wasn't quite right for you, your damn brave for giving it a go, even though in your heart of hearts you had your concerns.

Happy Bike Shopping girlie :laugh2

[The Guvnor]

And to add to that.........................It doesnt matter wether its a 400 or a 1000.........it is all down to the capabilities of the rider ! If you cant use a bike to its full potential and a smaller bike gives you the same thrill then why spend the extra money ! Ive had a 750 SRAD which was fast as **** but when it came to chucking it round a corner Im quicker now on a 600.....and the corners are what make most of us smile !!!!!.........cant be doin with all this size is more important crap ! Unless its in the bedroom of course..........and mine can fill a pram ! :laugh1

[auroredj]

cant be doin with all this size is more important crap ! Unless its in the bedroom of course..........and mine can fill a pram ! :laugh1

Not no more it can't:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1

[The Guvnor]

:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 good point, well made !!!:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 :clap

[Lateshift]

I think you should get what ever makes you smile, screw the money. You don't work 5 days a week to not enjoy it! Everyone's got bills, but if you can afford it, even at a squeeze I think you should go for it!

On a different note, the difference between the 6 and 750 isn't all about top speed and accleration, the 750 makes another how ever much BHP and handles exactly the same, and only weighs a few k's more, so I think you would really notice the difference coming out of the bends. Not saying the 600 isn't sex, and fantastic, and lovely, and good looking, and an out 'n' out racing machine, but i'm pretty sure you'd notice the difference between the two.3

Kev' just imagine getting on the GSXR tomorrow and it being a 750, you would know about it.

I disagree with nearly everything said, you have to be pushing the bike pretty hard to notice the difference between a 600 and a 750 on the newer bikes, yes it has an extra bit of bhp, but BHP is for willy waving and in truth the "torque" of the two bikes isnt massively different until you get into the TRE & Powercommander area when you can pretty much transform the 750 into a 1000.

If you think you can notice the difference in acceleration between a bike that does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and one that does it in 4.5 then you are having a laugh, both bikes will rip your arms off at pretty much the same speed, you will be accelerating too quick to notice it trust me, i get the feeling everyday! :D

The only thing in real terms that you will notice between a K6 600 and a K6 or K5 750 for that matter is the revs, in that the 600 will rev slightly higher to get where its going, but seriously not one of us on here can ride outride the bikes we own, if we could we would have been running alongside the likes of Tark, most of us bottle out long before (or bin it) we would actually get to use the true potential of big sports bikes these days.

Comfort and rideability is what anyone should be looking for in a bike first and foremost, if it isnt comfortable you wont interact with the bike the way its supposed to happen, and you get taken for a ride rather than taking "it" for one.

[The Guvnor]

:grin1 I agree !!!! although the 600 does 0-60 in 3.25 secs not 4.5 *runs away and hides*:laugh1

[Lateshift]

and i doubt anyone of us here could actually get the bike to do it in that time too ;)

[The Guvnor]

*bugger* Again I agree !!:clap Although what we have both said in this thread is pretty similar to each other !..........its them pesky kids again !:laugh1

[Juvenilerider]

I know, no one on here comes close to pushing their bikes to the limits. No offence, but tark doesnt even come to close the limits of his bike.

But you would DEFINATELY notice the difference between a 600 and 750. There's no question about it.

If someone had replaced Kev's 600 with a 750, he would notice, i'm not saying he'd all of a sudden take it to new heights, but he would notice, you would notice, anyone would notice the difference in performance.

I'm not having a dig at the 600, i'm just saying there is a difference between the two bikes, otherwise no one would put themselves on a 6month waiting list for the 750.

It's got nothing to do with taking either bike to their full potential, i never said that, but there's a world of difference between the two machines. The fact the 750 is the same frame as the 6, weighs only a few K's more, and makes however much more horsepower, means it WILL outperfrom the 600.

I'm not talking about riders getting the most out of their bikes, all im saying is, basic physics, means if two things weigh the same, but one makes more power, guess which one is going to be the topdog.

I just don't want people to think i'm having a dig at the 600 or saying its pointless or anything, but there's no question about it, the 750 will outperform the 600. Perhaps maybe not in MPGs etc, but if you put Nial McKenzie on both bikes round a track, the 750 would lap faster, be it only a matter of 1/10th's of seconds, it would lap faster, thats all im saying.

[Lateshift]

So how does that equate to your average rider then, you really think the extra cash outlay for the horsepower and handling (which lets face the handling is the same chassis so no different whatsoever) is worth it for anyone that is going to ride the tyres of it all the time?

Dont be fooled by the marketing hype of the fact that there is a waiting list for the 750, thats good marketing, they dont over produce as they have in the past, that means they dont lumber dealers with bikes that can't be moved ;)

They know that the market at the moment is fiercer in the 600 class, lost of newer riders and a bigger market, they can entice with a 750 and do what Ducati have been doing for years and thats make you wait for it.

Also take this into account, the same chassis, the same rider what makes you so sure that the 750 will get round the track quicker????

are we going to go down the route of it being based on a bigger engine so its quicker? or picture this, are we going to base it on the fact that the 600 is track orientated and capable of taking corners at exactly the same speed and in stock form would probably be under a second slower on any UK circuit with the same rider on it???

food for thought, we are talking about road use here, at Brands at the weekend i watched a decent rider take the RSV Factory around the Indy in pretty much the same time as it was taking every other class bar the KTM660's and even they had guys lapping at only 3 seconds slower.

real performance can only be measured on the track which is where new bikes excel, not on a weekly thrash to Burnham or even the Earls Colne Road ;)

[Juvenilerider]

(thankyou for this by the way - i'm so bored of not talking abouts bike :D)

erm... where was I..

Yeah, all valid points and I completely agree. The only place the 750 would take back 1/10ths would be on drive out of bends because of the lower range torque. That's all.

All i'm saying, even though i'm going the long way around it, is there is a difference between the two.

I can't justify the price difference between the bikes, or the extra insurance etc, but they are definately different machines, and I still think you're average UK rider would notice the difference between the two. I know I would!

The 750 would be a lot less revvy, make more power in the low stuff, so it would be a noticable difference I think. Maybe 2 UK riders wouldn't outperform each other on the track if pitted against each other, but they'd know which bike they were riding if there was no indications on the bike whether it was a 6 or a 750, that's all im saying.

[Lateshift]

In fact before this gets any further off topic this is about what is practical and long term in truth, not about waving the flags for the different type of bikes that can be done just by picking a magazine up and reading the dross printed in them (which lets face it appeals to most).

The simple truth is that anyone can ride fast in a straight line, but the best handling bikes are the lighter ones, once you get the bikes down to the same sort of limit you are then looking at whether or not the price hike (and it can be considerable in all areas) is worth it when putting it bluntly none of us can ever imagine to realise the full potential of what we ride because UK roads just dont allow it.

Bonnet you of all people know that you could ride the socks of your VFR, yet are you 100% confident that you could do the same on the 600RR you have??? more importanly did you ever get left behind that far that you thought you would never see anyone that was in front again??? hmmm i dont think so ;)

and why is that? because you were comfortable with the bike, the bike had the performance and weight to make any deficit on a straight really lack any importance ;)

speech over!

ride fast in a straight line if you want, try to put the knee down where you can if that takes your fancy, but ride smoothly and wont make a blind bit of difference what you are riding because smooth riding takes seconds off circuit times not full on power.

[Juvenilerider]

I'll be quiet :clap :) That were proper fun though :D I LOVE BIKES! :D haha


So anyway... Harrie, buy a GSXR :D

[SDM]

I make Bonnet right, you would notice the difference between the 600 and the 750...................

























They have a different colour scheme.......................:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 :grin1

[DoodleBug]

Just my quick addition to this, back in February, Suzuki didn't even bother to put the 750 on their stand at Ally Pally because they are so similar.

[Lateshift]

just for stats sake and given that i like most do read some sort of bike magazine,

the latest PB TT track table lists the 2006 GSXR750 as being 5 seconds quicker round their circuit, putting it in 6th place whereas the GSXR600 was in 9th putting it above the 675, the ZX6R, the R6, but only 5 seconds slower was the VFR400 with the KR1S close on its heels (the VFR being 15th)


However more interesting was the fact both the GSXR's had different weather conditions for their test.

The 750 was ridden with a 20mph cross wind and bone dry at 17 degrees

The 600 was ridden into a 35mph headwind and at 2 degrees in damp conditions,

so how would that have faired if it had the same weather,

Well the remarks column said it all for the 750


"Felt the same as the 600.... almost" :D

say's it all really, if they had put them side by side there would have been less than a couple of seconds at worst between them, and my money would be on that ;)



ooooh i should point out for the power mongers here that the 40-120mph times for both bikes were 1 tenth of a second apart and the 0-100mph times again less than 4 tenths.

That much more power eh? ;)

In reality and going back to torque which is the only figure you ever need, the GSXR 600 is only 20ft/lbs of torque down on the 750 any of you on a 600 will already know that anything from around 45ft/lbs is enough to give a scream rather than a mild grin :D


(at this point i mention that i have 76ft/lbs :D and i scream all the time, but in your helmet no-one can hear it! :D )

[harriebird]

my god, waht did i start.....don't forget me :grin2

well i sat on the 600, it's taller than i remembered at brands, but parky's pointed out that when they put them on trade stands they anchor them such that it compresses the rear shock a bit.....

i have got a test ride on saturday, first thing, and i will keep you informed......my new textiles are coming tomorrow and i'm pretty excited for textiles

http://www.girlsbike2.co.uk/info.asp?id=108

http://www.girlsbike2.co.uk/info.asp?id=385

now if i like it, will it be black black and more black :cool: or black with a hint of silver xxxxx

[Lateshift]

i am not sure what Parkies are on about there Harrie, from what i remember the bikes were wheel clamped and not strapped, it may have been that the bikes had been sat on that many times they had a bit more give in them than the new ones in the showroom??

i know mine when i got it felt a tad high but having had an Ohlins rear put on, and having done 440 miles on it now it seems to have settled fairly well to the point that i am pretty much able to put most of my little feet down instead of just using my toes ;)

it may be (and i really cant remember) that they were gripping the bike by the swingarm and front wheel in which case it could account for the slight lowering of the bike, but remember seats can be changed too, maybe a narrower seat could be made???

there is still the option to lower the front end slightly first anyway, it will likely improve the handling marginally still and possibly give the extra little bit of feel on the feet :)

[harriebird]

well get this, the 1000 is the lowest because the seat is the narrowest hahahahah but i cant afford it anyway :grin2

[The Guvnor]

H, dont go black it looks unfinished ! Go black silver.......if you can get one !!!...good luck hun whatever you choose !.xxx

[harriebird]

they've got all three colours in at parkys at the mo :love3 we'll see how i get on tomorrow ;) i'm pretty excited but nervous as hell too. i've never ridden a 600 before!!!!

(mind you i managed the blade ok so don't know what i'm worrying about really!)

[auroredj]

H, dont go black it looks unfinished ! Go black silver.......if you can get one !!!...good luck hun whatever you choose !.xxx

Oh H, I've got to agree with the Guv on this, the Black & Silver is just sex on wheels :love3 :love3 :love3

[harriebird]

well, see i kind of thought the black and silver one looks a bit like, well we've done a black one, what else can we do, i know lets shove a bit of silver on it...kind of like an afterthought? it is nice though :grin2 but i think it would have to be an all black one.

[ALBERE]

def all black

[becky]

once u go black u never go back hahahah lol.............any way i really like the black one its ****ing georgous, and dont forget everyone has different tastes......good luck H.....hope u get on with it!!!!!

[ALBERE]

blacks simple keep it that way

[harriebird]

black makes it easy peasy for getting matching gear (oooh i've already got loads!!!), and my textiles will look fine with the red bits on them. they are coming today and i am really excited.....hope the trousers fit!!!!

tick tick tick...can't wait for 8.30 tomorrow :laugh2

[ALBERE]

im goin lookin for a bike tomo

[ALBERE]

guna look for a cbr600rr 04 i want a black one

[Juvenilerider]

Black is the way forward. Is the duke injected or carbs harrie?

[the captain]

for what its worth, i'm inclined to agree with the things lateshift, Guv and one or two others have said earlier on. There was this "thing" a little while ago about the big bikes being the best you can get, but now days its not so.....the smaller bikes are in fact a lot better...handling, cost etc.....one reason suzuki still make the 750 is because its almost obliged to!! its been going for years and its become kind of a cult thing, but with the 600 class becoming stronger and stronger the 750 is only popular due to said cult status.....nothing to do with its extra this that and the other....its hardly noticeable!

It also comes down to rider ability which has also been mentioned and size is another thing! its a fact you gotta accept.the bigger the engine the bigger the overall size...now some will argue that there isnt any difference between the 600 and the 750, but there is, maybe not in overall dimensions but weight is a factor etc. im inclined to think that you may feel that people wont take you seriously if you dont have a big bike, but thats rubbish.....youre tiny (no offense) and you want a bike that'll (and i quote) "rip your arms off" why exactly??.............having a bigger bike doesnt make you a better rider....im sure most of us here could be given a run for our money by someone on a smaller cc bike...its HOW you ride it at the end of the day!


But hey, its up to you at the end of the day...this is just an oppinion, and by knowing other oppinions you can make up your own mind, and good luck to you......there is a bike out there for you.....you just gotta be patient and wait 'till you come across it.....its gonna get damn expensive if you have many more duke experiences!!!!

[harriebird]

its gonna get damn expensive if you have many more duke experiences!!!!

my hanky bill is massive at the moment, and i think i'll be on the look out for a new husband if i get it wrong again because he is fed up of me banging on and on and on!!!!

[the captain]

ah you'll be cool.....just take your time, reven if you have to test ride the same bike a dozen times, at least you'll be sure and wont have another duke episode!

Thats actually a good point, you should take the bike out a few times, in different conditions, see how it feels, see if you feel comfortable with it in all weathers....test rides are okay, but it definitely takes more than a few hours to get used to a bike enough to decide if its THE ONE!!!

[harriebird]

and that's where i went wrong with the 748, had a quick ride, was so bowled over by it all and didnt do the crucial harrie test of trying to park it........

thing is every time you go through the process you learn something else, all part of life's joy innit :grin2

(can't believe i just wrote innit)

[the captain]

:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 you wrote innit!!!!!............look everyone!!!!!

[SDM]

Harrie when you get your Black K6 you will need one of these........

http://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/partdetail.asp?id=100164&m=1001


:rockon :rockon :rockon :rockon

[DoodleBug]

Can't believe there is a blatant spelling error on the suzuki web site. Tssk.

[Lateshift]

thats because Suzuki dont rely on their owners being able to spell ;)

there are that many of them no-one cares if they can count either ;) :D



did anyone say bellybutton? :D ;)

[SDM]

1. 2. miss a few 99. 100...........:grin2 :grin2

[The Guvnor]

Being a newly converted belly button rider I can safely say there are so many about quite simply because they are a superb bike to ride.

There not overpriced, the engines are bulletproof, and they are superb handling. If one was to look in magazines at the 2006 models one would notice that the gsxr 1000, 750 and 600 fall into the top four bikes every time.

Looking through the aforementioned supplements I could see no mention of a ****ING APRILIA !!!!!!!!!!:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1

[The Guvnor]

*you cant get me im hiding*:grin2

[DoodleBug]

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/hidesbehindsofa.gif

[The Guvnor]

pmsl:grin1

[auroredj]

Boys, Boys, didn't your mother tell you jealousy isn't a virtue :laugh1 :laugh1

[Juvenilerider]

If one was to look in magazines at the 2006 models one would notice that the gsxr 1000, 750 and 600 fall into the top four bikes every time.

That's not hard, :p

Suzuki, Kwak, Honda, Yamaha, are the bigguns! It's not hard to land in the top four if theres only four REAL contenders :p:p

[The Guvnor]

Someone hold me back !!:boxing :laugh1

[DoodleBug]

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/dueling.gif

[The Guvnor]

:grin1 again........PMSL

[SDM]

Being a newly converted belly button rider I can safely say there are so many about quite simply because they are a superb bike to ride.

There not overpriced, the engines are bulletproof, and they are superb handling. If one was to look in magazines at the 2006 models one would notice that the gsxr 1000, 750 and 600 fall into the top four bikes every time.

Looking through the aforementioned supplements I could see no mention of a ****ING APRILIA !!!!!!!!!!:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1


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[Lateshift]

errr masterbike 2006, say no more ;) :D

[MickyGixer]

I aint gonna say f*** all for a change apart from...Harri we've had the discussion, just let your head do the talking this time and not your heart (as that always tends to cloud my judgement too :grin2 )...and you will find what bike is going to make you very happy.....:laugh1 :rockon :laugh1 :rockon

Happy hunting....:shooter

[harriebird]

thank you, i was just about to wave the :offtopic: banner but have no need now you have got us swiftly back on topic, to....well....erm..... ME!!!!!!

loved it this morning, had a couple of fellow test pilots watching my every move, hoping to buy one v soon if i can get what i need for my bike or do some little deal. otherwise i'll have to wait for a slightly used one.

the bike is very very easy to ride, fills you with confidence and makes you look like you know what you are doing :grin2

[The Guvnor]

Se told ya........didnt i tell ya...........i knew i was right.......i was wasnt i.......i was right...u now it makes sense !:laugh1 Good luck H. x

[harriebird]

has anyone got a copy of May performance bikes because mine has gone missing, i've got ALL the others but not the one with the sodding gsxrs in!!!!! and there was a big 750 write up too! ffs!

[Lateshift]

what do you need to know from it?

all the data i got for this argument about the power and speed was taken direct from it ;)

[The Guvnor]

H, i threw mine. But i can tell ya what I mentioned earlier...........the 750 is .25 of a second faster than the 600 from 0-60 and about .75 from 0 - 100. The 750 is exactly the same size and just a tad heavier (not enough to notice!) the only reason it came above the 600 in rankings is because the 750 has a slightly better mid range. 750 is about 20bhp more but you will only really notice that above 100mph or at the top end !

Apart from that one thing that stuck in my mind was that the test rider spent more time on the 600 because he thought it was the better one of the two !:clap

Sorry I aint got the mag.........hope this helps a little.

BTW...............the thousand is a completly different league !!!.......silly fast !...........and 2k more expensive !!!

Good luck at Peases.x

[DoodleBug]

If you can put up with the exposed puppies, I have May's Fast Bike with a review of both in.

[Lateshift]

not entirely true, but not far from it, and bear in mind this is a seasoned track and race rider whose comments formed the basis for the review ;)



Why should you buy the 600?

The obvious answer is that its cheaper to buy and insure. But the 600 lacks the response and power of the 750 throughout the entire rev range. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. With 105bhp available to the 600's identically sized rear tyre, compared to 125bhp on the 750, the margin for error is a lot wider. You can enjoy holding the 600 wide-open in places you cant on the 750. Consequently that hero feeling comes on a little bit sooner too. Leaving tight corners, you'd have to be more than cack-handed to highside the silky smooth GSXR-600. In outright laptimes, even Schwantz et al could only find a couple of seconds from the 750.

But that's sort of where things get sticky. If you really know what you're doing, you'd probably appreciate the extra torque and the power of the 750, making the most of its extra urge to chop laptimes and B-road records. But maybe you're so savvy, you know you really cant use the power of the 750, at least not often enough to justify the extra cost. And yet, the 750's extra torque makes it easier to ride on the road. More speed for less effort, easier overtaking too.
The 600 is claimed to weigh just 2kg less than the 750.
Whether you can, can't, want to, or don't want to use the extra power is up to you. If i bought the 600, I know at some point i'd regret not having gone for the 750



Now that was written based on the thoughts and comments of the likes of James Witham, Kevin Schwantz to name a few, who arent likely to want a bike for doing the Burnham bends etc, in real terms the 600 has a redline 1000rpm higher than the 750 and only 20bhp lower.

Not really a good read for your average rider because it wasnt tested on a road either ;)

Interestingly enough all the Suzuki weights are listed as "claimed" as dry, and dont include anything other than metal, add battery, tank of fuel, all oils and its a more realistic 180kg minimum.

The K6 600 is the class leading 600 of the day and it will take a seasoned rider to notice the difference on a road let alone a track.

(there were shed loads of more pros and cons but pretty much it was a 50/50 as to why a 600 or a 750 :)

[Lateshift]

If you can put up with the exposed puppies, I have May's Fast Bike with a review of both in.

The May PB also has a 4 page spread on the YZF750 too ;)

[DoodleBug]

erm.........

If anyone has a copy of Mays PB...........

:grin2

[SDM]

The May PB also has a 4 page spread on the YZF750 too ;)

Does it have 'puppies' as well..........:grin2 :grin2

[Lateshift]

no puppies to speak of but plenty of specs and facts on the bike ;)

[harriebird]

i just wanted to look at the pictures again, and read it for myself, and i'm annoyed i lost it because PB is the only one i go back to regularly.

pease's will give me a much better figure on my bike and i reckon i can squeeze them to where i want to be.

i'm off to parky's to speak to jim tomorrow and pease's know that :grin2 and have done the usual thing of "dont do anything til you have spoken to me" etc :grin2

they have a pre-reg black 600 that may be just the ticket.....but i'm going to make up my own mind and try and get out on a 750 too, i want to find out for myself. not saying that all of the above is being ignored, because it isnt but if i can get out on one i will try......

[Lateshift]

I am pretty sure after being up at Parkies yesterday you will get a better deal at Pease's ;) but having had quite a chat with Malcolm yesterday don't be too disheartened when Jim say's the same thing, the problem is they have enough 749's on 0% finance without wanting to take on older models, and the book price is actually £2200 for part exchange, dealers have a different book to what we normally use as customers.

Even up at Orwell's the oldest bike they had in their was an S Reg and the prices reflected dealer prices.

The difference is that Pease's might not be shifting as many bikes as Parkies, who according to them are falling over people wanting to take K6 600's because of their price and with 0% finance they arent having a problem shifting them and making space in the showroom (Ducati's included).

There is only 1 concern here and that will you be able to really find the roads in that area to actually see a noticeable difference in the 750?

most of us mortals dont find any space like that unless we are going in a straight line, but you are going to have to push pretty hard to see the difference on normal roads around that area,

want some healthy advice?

Take the 750 first (that way you havent got any expectations of the 600 to start with).


Lastly, and this is probably the most important advice, i am sure everyone who rides a sports bike will tell you this too.

When you lower that bike front and rear (and the K6 you rode yesterday was lowered to its limit and close to the bump stops ;) ) dont expect to get the same ride as you would off the stock setup, the bike itself is designed with a set rake and trail and steering geometry, when you lower the bike evenly you change the whole characteristics of the bike completely.

Most people normally just raise the front forks through as standard to give the rear a tiny bit more height to improve the tip in for corners, unfortunately this isnt going to be possible for you (unless they manage to make a custom seat that will allow you to get the ball of your feet down to compensate for keeping the rear standard?).

So when you change the front, you are going to change the steering angle to a degree that might no longer be comfortable ;)

At speed it should still be manageable, at slow speeds it might feel heavier ;)

This isnt teaching you to suck eggs by the way :)

[harriebird]

oooh this might sound all defensive again, must be my small person syndrome coming on again :rolleyes: ;)

the book price is £2200 to £2800, i know that because Chris (at the other shop,who is selling the blade) told me. malcolm also told me i wouldn't get £3000 for it privately and yet pease's are talking about £3300 retail. so i have done plenty of homework.

(i do understand the difference between trade and retail prices, i did my work expereince in a bike shop and my dad's best mate in the world has one in coventry)

but it's a good point about the 749s and the 0% finance, i hadnt thought of that.

there are loads of sublime roads around braintree where i could really get a proper test ride, and most importantly find some horrible cambered junctions to see how i get on with those (which is one of the reasons for selling the 748)

the gsxr's seat has plenty of scope for a good bit of chopping down so i think i can probably get away with that and keep the bike as standard.

[Juvenilerider]

most of us mortals dont find any space like that unless we are going in a straight line, but you are going to have to push pretty hard to see the difference on normal roads around that area,



I can't see how you could possibly think you wouldn't notice the difference between the two bikes. All magazine articles aside, all perfomance stats aside, the 750 makes an extra 20BHP... it doesn't matter if you're Nial McKenzie, or Joe Average, YOU WILL NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE! End of, it's not an opinion, it's a FACT! You might not get more out of the 750, but you WOULD NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE! I don't care how fast the 600 is, or how much faster the 750 is, you would notice they are different bikes!

THEY ARE DIFFERENT MACHINES! DIFFERENT BIKES, DIFFERENT POWERS, DIFFERENT GEARING, DIFFERENT BIKES! as in, they are not the same. they are different from each other, they might have the same chassis etc, but the power difference alone means you would notice the difference. Hense, them being different bikes.

I'm not saying anyone would get CLOSE to the limitations of EITHER bike, but...

YOU WOULD NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE!

[Juvenilerider]

And before anyone says it, YES, i am throwing my toys out of the pram....

.... but I don't care, no one in their right mind wouldnt think they are the same bike!

[Lateshift]

You throw all your toys out the pram fella, the fact is, 20bhp is nothing it might wash with you, but have a look at the top bikes all pushing out 180bhp, do you think bhp wins races?????

I dare you to answer that with a yes, and then i am going to throw science at you like its taking you back to yr9!


Secondly, and this is now where i get on my high horse, lose my teddy and throw it not out of the pram, but straight at you, you might notice the difference on a 750, i havent strictly said you wouldnt, i have said that the benefit of one over a 600 is neglible unless you are a rider that really pushes it, sorry to hurt feeling here, but not many people on this site can, short and sweet.

This isnt a holier than thou sort of crusade to rid the world of people having bikes that are far too powerful, far from it, i am person that tell's it as it is and see's it for fact, the fact is not many people on here can get the full benefit from their bike, me included (in fact i would be too scared to even try to get the best out of mine).

Going back to the sales pitch, Harrie, research is one thing, understanding markets are another, i dont doubt you have done your homework, you think i was spouting figures from thin air, since you mentioned about buying the Ducati in the first place i had been researching the figures because i was intrigued to know how they held their value, the simple fact is dealers dont have to have a conscience and private sales are around £3000, retail for a top nick "low mileage" 748 is indeed £2200-£2800

but the 748 is one of the most unreliable and for the £3000 upwards bracket you are now starting to get decent lower mileage 916's and beyond, and going back to the 749, when Ducati jumped on the 0% finance band wagon they have pretty much killed off the used Duc scene by selling an £8000 Ducati brand new that suddenly people can afford


Now Sam about this science lesson???? or are we going to argue that because they are intrinsically different bikes that the noticeable difference is going to be felt by an average rider????

[SDM]

YES we would notice the difference between them............as I said before the 600 and the 750 have different colour schemes


AND THATS ABOUT ALL........

[Lateshift]

I can't be bothered to wait for Sam to come back to me on this one so i will just highlight for him what everyone else knows ;)

Torque and tracability wins races not Horsepower, horse power is something to brag about, torque is what does the talking ;)

Just to put something into perspective (and going off topic again).

The K6 600 averages 46.5ft/lbs 105bhp
The K6 750 averages 67ft/lbs 125bhp
The K5 1000 averages 87ft/lbs 176bhp

The VFR400 averages 26ft/lbs 50-65bhp
The CBR400 averages 24ft/lbs 50-60bhp
The ZXR400 averages 29ft/lbs 60-67bhp

The CBR600RR averages 49ft/lbs 115bhp
The CBR1000RR averages 84ft/lbs 170bhp
The ZX10R averages 85ft/lbs 175bhp
The R1 averages 76ft/lbs 175bhp

The RSVR averages 77ft/lbs 147bhp
The 999S averages 79ft/lbs 145bhp


The RS125 averages 14.3ft/lbs 32bhp

Do you see any patterns here??

I could list the Busa, the 12R, the ZZR1400, The Blackbird etc but they are all well into the 185bhp mark and yet none produce over 100ft/lbs of torque.

Now with an extra 21ft/lbs of torque you will notice it, but picture the main area of noticeability

On the straight,

what goes quicker through a corner a light bike with a high revving engine and the ability to keep the revs high at the sweet spot on the gear or the heavy bike with lower revving engine.

of course its the light bike that is able to keep constant power around a bend whilst maintaing stability enough to exit the corner at optimum speed ready for the next gear.

So where on a UK road is a 750 going to be more noticeable, on a straight, is it going to go any quicker round a corner than a 600? probably not on the road, yes on a circuit.

Benefit of spending an extra grand to get an extra 20bhp (thats for your sake) or another 21ft/lbs, negligble, benefit of spending the extra cash and getting the suspension set properly so you can use the higher revving engine to get round the corner properly,


priceless!

[Lateshift]

In fact i am sure i asked you Sam, what bike could you corner quicker?

The VFR400 or the CBR600RR

or should i say where did the VFR lack?

I know that if i took Jule's ZXR400 out, the only place i lose out is on the straights but i can quite happily get the bike round the corners quicker than i could on my old RSV or my ZX9R for that matter, and that ZXR400 is good for 135 with 15st on it.

but with a tenth between the 40-120mph point and 4 tenths from 0-100 with a seasoned rider on it, i will concede there will be a noticeable difference in that apart from the colours there will be a fractionally faster throttle response, because in real terms thats all it comes down to at that level ;)

oh and i forgot, the Ducati 748 is around 95-100bhp and has 55.3ft/lbs torque, so adding to the argument, if that 748 was wound up rapidly would the difference be even less noticeable ;)

[Juvenilerider]

I'm not arguing, there's no point because you're clearly ALWAYS going to have the last word...

Just imagine, tomorrow morning, there's two GSXR K6's on your drive, no stickers, no paintjobs no nothing, and you get the chance to take them both for a scratch... my point is, and has been the entire time, is that you would be able to pick the 750 from the 600, end of.

I couldn't care less about the physics of winning races, because that hasn't been my point. All i'm saying is anyone would know the 750 from the 600 if they rode them both.

but you are going to have to push pretty hard to see the difference on normal roads around that area,


No, no you wouldn't. 150cc's and 20BHP difference, would be obvious, even to someone who has been riding for a week. I'm not saying it would be an advantage or disadvantage, but you would notice the difference.

I don't know how many times I need to say it, but you would notice the difference. It's not my opinion, you would just notice the difference. That's why i'm not aruging, because you would notice the difference. There is a difference, and it's a noticable one. People would notice the difference.

the fact is, 20bhp is nothing it might wash with you

So if a magical fairy gave your Mille an extra 20bhp over night, you wouldn't notice that tomorrow? Again, i'm not aguring, because you would notice, you know you would notice, everyone knows, you would notice, everyone knows, they would notice, there's a difference. They are different machines, a noticable difference is present.

So I just want to make this clear before you find somethin else to pick apart, i'm not saying the bikes have got advantages or disadvantages, im not saying one is better than the other, im not saying harrie should get the 600 or the 750... once again, all i'm saying, is anyone in their right mind would be able to pick the bikes out if they'd ridden them both.

So, just to be sure, my point is, if both bikes were ridden by the same rider, and then someone asked, "Did you notice the difference between the two?", the rider wouldn't go, "No, felt the same." They would notice, the difference. The noticable difference.

Now feel free to have the last word, because i'm fed up trying to get my point across... i'll even give you something htat you can have the last word about... BHP is a key element in winning races... go wild.

[Lateshift]

sorry Sam, no last word or not, BHP is not the key, Torque is, in fact instead of using the web to argue ****e, use it to research some science.

What wins in a straight line

a 300bhp car putting out 150ft/lbs of torque

or a 400bhp car putting out 300ft/lbs

your argument isnt even based on reasearch its pub talk ;)

i have agreed that you will notice the difference in throttle response, AS AN AVERAGE RIDER.

and the only reason i tend to have the last word is because i end up having to actually read up on what i have said and corroborate it with fact rather than look a complete tit by talking ********!


and no i wouldnt notice the difference with 20bhp, i would with 20ft/lbs though, and thats proved time and time again on a dyno, why do you think that a ZX10R with 170bhp only puts out 80ish ft/lbs of torque and a V Twin manages the same sort of power with less BHP??????????

[Juvenilerider]

The K6 600 averages 46.5ft/lbs 105bhp
The K6 750 averages 67ft/lbs 125bhp



Do you see any patterns here??



Other than they're different?! I'm not talking about drive out of corners, or which would be more beneficial on a UK road, with an average rider?

But what you've written above, PROVES theres a difference?! What's your point?!

I couldn't care less about the stats, and ft/lbs and total weight, and gearing ratios and any other ******** you wanna google to try and get your point across, or whether I could go round a corner faster on the VFR or the CBR....

My Point, once again for those at the back... IS YOU WOULD NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE! Whether it be on a straight, on the drive out of a bend, the engine braking into a bend, the torque mid corner, in a traffic, filtering, on the track, when you're putting petrol in it... when you're paying insurance... you would notice the difference!

The difference, would be noticed.

[Lateshift]

In fact, you are right, i can and will have the last word,

its like talking to a muppet, i will do what a lot of others are already doing at the moment, clicking on unread posts and clicking back out, because the amount of uninformative posts on here to wade through lately has dragged the place down to be honest, i might aswell go and join the Visordown lot and have a proper sing song :D

Have the thread, have the forum,

[Juvenilerider]

i have agreed that you will notice the difference in throttle response, AS AN AVERAGE RIDER.



Finally! That's all ive been trying to say! i might of been talking ******** in the process, but thats been my point for the last 3million years!

We're talking about, average UK road riders... so that's been my point!

Yeah, i've probably been tlaking **** along the way, but the entire time, and I must of said it 35,000 times, in the midst of all the ******** ive written, is that THE DIFFERENCE, WOULD BE A NOTICABLE ONE.

[Juvenilerider]

So, now you've gone to Visordown, just to makesure everyone else hasn't missed my point, the numerous times ive said it,

People would notice the difference.

[Juvenilerider]

sorry Sam, no last word or not, BHP is not the key, Torque is, in fact instead of using the web to argue ****e, use it to research some science.


I know it's not the key to winning races, I know this, everyone know's this, it's nothing revolutionary that you've written this. I was winding you up.

[Ride-or-die]

I realy want ur duke, at my track day the dukes and the mille's could have destroyed us around the track if they were ridden better, well there was a couple of dukes that just killed everyone, as they could lay down the power in the long sweeping bends before we could due to the difference in power delivery which i kinda gather is what you two are arguing about.

either way i want it harrie, but after dropping mine and there being no damamge i like the fact that its invincible, plus i have other expences such as a new lid and leathers at the mo

[stu600cc]

theres no point having loadsa a power get a bike you feel confident on i read PB the other day and the time spent with the throttle fully open or half open was once or twice. Most people use mid throttle.

*2 pence*

[DoodleBug]

I know it's not the key to winning races, I know this, everyone know's this, it's nothing revolutionary that you've written this. I was winding you up.

Your talking to yourself now Sam, doubt he'll be back to read your reply so thanks for that.

[Juvenilerider]

Your talking to yourself now Sam, doubt he'll be back to read your reply so thanks for that.

Well that ain't my problem is it. He's the one that's always up for a bit of "banter", if he's gonna leave the site over something like this, it's his problem not mine.

[DoodleBug]

Just remember you said that next time you'd like some technical advise.

[Juvenilerider]

Just remember you said that next time you'd like some technical advise.

I will lol This is a wind up, so he's up for some banter and little debates etc... until he realises he's got no point? or until someone doesn't just take what he says as gospel?

[stu600cc]

oh my god why's he gone its all a bit stupid!!!!!!!

[harriebird]

theres no point having loadsa a power get a bike you feel confident on i read PB the other day and the time spent with the throttle fully open or half open was once or twice. Most people use mid throttle.



*2 pence*

and a bloody good point well made.......:clap :clap

i'm really chuffed because webtone has managed to stay on topic seemingly by using his psychic abilities because he knocked at my door with a big pile of magazines for me!!!

including......fast bikes.......i've not read it in years, some really top words but i've said it before, if i want to look at a pair of boobs i'll look at my own..... :grin2

[DoodleBug]

oh my god why's he gone its all a bit stupid!!!!!!!
You have PM mate

[Ride-or-die]

LOOK harrie has got really upset about this all she wanted to do was advertise the sale of her bike, what gives everyone the right to ruin her post and make her upset. if u wanna do that and have a debate do it via PM, or a seperate post. i know we all have opinions which is great but lets not offend others by expresing them, and sir shift if ur still about put this behind you and stay. end of the matter if u wanan write here write about harries bike only!!!

[the captain]

If its worth it, ive had my 750 for almost a year, even had it tuned up and al that...and to be honest having also had a go on beckys new R6 i couldnt really tell the difference appart from her acceleration kicking in a bit later than mine, when youre above 4500rpm theres naff all difference, its only when her throttle is at the stop does mine still pull away a bit longer but lets be honest, that'll only ever happen on an empty straight road, and even now theres too many coppers around to do that!

im not gonna side with anyone herm just thought id put my two cents worth in considering ive ridden quite a bit on both engine sizes!

[harriebird]

cheers shane, it's all good to hear. i'm listening to everything and just hoping to god everything will calm down.....

[RaceMeNSee]

wow, wow wow...................What the feck happened!?

[Biker Dude]

sam i think you've acted like a child here.... You should no full well that lateshift knows best coz he nearly always does... and i think the forum is gonna be hurt with his loss...

to be honnest i think most people are gonna be sorry to see he leave and miss his information...

I don't know what else to say other than i'm not angry at all this.. i'm just dissapointed!

[RaceMeNSee]

Well said................bonnet......why be a ****!?

[Juvenilerider]

sam i think you've acted like a child here.... You should no full well that lateshift knows best coz he nearly always does... and i think the forum is gonna be hurt with his loss...

to be honnest i think most people are gonna be sorry to see he leave and miss his information...

I don't know what else to say other than i'm not angry at all this.. i'm just dissapointed!


Why bring this all up again? I know you aint been round much... but look at the date. It's done with...

And ITS A FORUM! His opinion was different to mine... end of, get over it!

[RaceMeNSee]

my eyes are tired and i thought you said, get off with it! hahahah

[Doninha Princesa]

And ITS A FORUM! His opinion was different to mine... end of, get over it!

My thought exactly while you were getting all defensive and arguementative, peoples opinions are different, rather than arguing and causing this totally hi-jacked thread and upset and everything, why couldnt you (both) realise that you had a difference of opinion and leave it at that? This all seems a little silly now!

[Juvenilerider]

Exactly... yet people are still talking about it and bringing it up?

[Doninha Princesa]

Wel all i can say is Jay hasnt ben on much recently so he prob just caught up with it all. Lets all leave the thread alone now, let it fall back into the archives huh? I hate people arguing, really hate it, so this is it, the end, no reply necessary, lets just let this all go! ok!

hugs to all :)

[harriebird]

jay please can we lock this now....it's all dead and buried

[Ride-or-die]

hehe sarah said no replies and then harrie replied, and now i have replied so i guess we both need to be punnished!!!

[RaceMeNSee]

Sarahs gonna WAP you in the face J! hahahahahhahahaha

[Ride-or-die]

she has a wapper?

[EverSoSlightlyFasterThanU]

hahahahahhah i jsut read some of that it great but 20 break and all that grut you would def notice

[Ride-or-die]

anyway totally back on track did the duke sell babe? or did you part ex it for the gsxr?