Tyre help

[FACESLIDER]

A couple of weeks back I had some tyres fitted at that place at harold wood, I always use them and never had a prob before. When I phoned up I gave them the tyre sizes of the tyres that were already on the bike, because I don't know any different. First of all I asked for the Pilot powers 2ct's because I thought that I would get slightly more miles out of them than the standard pilot powers due to all that dual compound business, harder in the midle or something, but they said that my bike would "rip them to shreads" and I would be better just putting the Pilot powers on and they also said that more than likley any tyre I put on will get ripped to shreads because of the torque the bike has and how it's set up.They said if my bike was against a gsxr1000 both with the same tyres, the gsxr would get about 1500 miles more out of it's tyres then mine. So I thought "your the exsperts" and just put the standard powers on.
Anyway,
I had a 190 fitted on the rear and the other day when I was cleaning my bike I noticed that my chain was hitting the tyre and it was taking rubber off all the way round. So I took it back and they said that It will be ok. I was worried it may blow out or something. They told me that some 190's will come up slightly bigger and some smaller and when they had a look in there book it recomended a 190. So i went away thinking all was ok.
But,
recently my bike handles like ****, it's seems very hard to put it into a bend or corner( feels heavy). It wobbles going round bends and feels like it wants to stand up again. So I popped into Hyside today and they said it's the rear tyre. It should be a 180 not a 190, they showed me there michelin book and it did say that my bike shoud be a 180. Some of the other rsv's are 190 but he explained something to me about the variations between the bikes but it went right over my head. Also they said that with the tyre like that with rubber off the edge it will fail an mot( not that it needs one yet) and it's a nick from the police. See what bugging me is that surley the tyre shop could see when fitting the tyre that it was too big and when spinning the wheel it hit's the chain and when I took it back the tyre was then illegal. Hyside said I should take it back and get them to change it free of charge and if they don't tell them your take it further, but I told them I wanted a 190 so I'm not sure where i stand.There all very big down there so don't really want to go shouting the odds lolhttp://www.essexbikers.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif:laugh1 Any advice please:grin2 :grin2

[Lateshift]

Strange how they advised you that geezer because they fitted the 2CT's to mine without question and since then Southern Cross fitted another set for me and undercut their price (£215 fitted) :D

Half the RSV world is now using 2CT's, the Ducati's tend to come fitted with Pilot Powers as standard now too ;)

If the chain or the swingarm is fouling the tyre in anyway its an immediate fail ;)

However both the RSV series and the Tuono series have a a choice of either 180/55/17 or 190/50/17 it states so in my manual and also the previous one, i have also had 190's fitted to both of my bike and replaced them for 180's due to the better handling (the 180 seemingly helps a quicker "tip in" ).

First of all are you using the correct pressures for the 2CT's/Pilot Powers???

they should be 33F/36R for the Aprilia and not 36/42 as most tyres seem to be these days ;)


Just to add to that, if they are telling you that 2CT's wont last as long as the standard Pilot Powers, you might want to explain to them is that the only difference is that the 2CT's have softer edges, the centre of the tyre is exactly the same compound and most people actually get around 3500 at least out of a rear on the road, if they were that bad i wouldnt have fitted them on either the 99 RSV or the new one i have, and on the older bike they still looked new after nearly 2000 miles ;)

Quite simply they are talking ****e :D

[FACESLIDER]

I'm using 34f and 36r, michelin recomend. they wrote it on my receipt so I wouldn't forgett:grin2 :grin2

[FACESLIDER]

Do you think I should go a try to get them to change it or is it my own fault:grin2

[Lateshift]

Just a thought but i wasnt aware that they were doing the 2CT's in a 190/50/17 profile anyway, i was sure they did the 180/55/17 and then a 190/55/17, you sure you got a 190/50/17????

If its a 190/55/17 then that would explain why the tyre is hitting the chain because its now 5% higher on the tyre wall and so a bigger wheel diameter.

A lot of people have complained about this when trying to fit 190/55/17 profile tyres in the past.

Also Michelin recommend 2.3 bar front and 2.5 bar rear (which works out closer to 33/36 ;)

But 1psi wont make much difference ;)

[becky]

i got my 2CT's fitted in april, they hve lasted me all summer and two tracks days, now its coming up to another track day and they still have life in them.....i think they have actually lasted me about 6000 miles :suprised1 maybe more WOW!!!

[FACESLIDER]

i got my 2CT's fitted in april, they hve lasted me all summer and two tracks days, now its coming up to another track day and they still have life in them.....i think they have actually lasted me about 6000 miles :suprised1 maybe more WOW!!!

I think next time I change the pair I'll put the 2cts on, no matter what they say about ripping them up:grin2 :grin2

[Lateshift]

The problem with that Becky is that they wont last half as long on a bike regardless of it being a twin or not , if its pumping out over 70ft/lbs of torque :(

And then add a 12stone plus rider, big bikes chew chains and tyres its the only downside to big bikes really :(

[becky]

The problem with that Becky is that they wont last half as long on a bike regardless of it being a twin or not , if its pumping out over 70ft/lbs of torque :(

And then add a 12stone plus rider, big bikes chew chains and tyres its the only downside to big bikes really :(

all im trying to say, is they are very good tyres and il recommend them to any one..............so chill out :grin2

[FACESLIDER]

I do tend to go through tyres pretty quick. I do anything between 50/100 miles a day commute, then at least another 2 maybe 3 hundred at weekend(depending on weather) and unfortuantly I seem to caine it everywhere. Not good for my bike I know:grin2 or my wallet:grin2

[Lateshift]

all im trying to say, is they are very good tyres and il recommend them to any one..............so chill out :grin2

I totally agree with you and am as chilled as a chilled thing in the Antarctic, i was merely pointing out that you probably can get 6000 miles out of a tyre, you weigh as much as a raffle ticket compared to some of us bloaters and dont have a twin that tries to eat the wheel aswell the rubber :D ;)

[becky]

I totally agree with you and am as chilled as a chilled thing in the Antarctic, i was merely pointing out that you probably can get 6000 miles out of a tyre, you weigh as much as a raffle ticket compared to some of us bloaters and dont have a twin that tries to eat the wheel aswell the rubber :D ;)


hahahhaha lol, a raffle ticket, i wish

[stu600cc]

go back and get em to sort it out its there fault they should know better!

[FACESLIDER]

Think I'm gonna have to, I've also just noticed that the back wheel is slightly offset. One side is on 3 notches and the other is on 4. Looks like they may of been trying to get it away from the chain. I wonder if thats why it won't handle right and wobbles on bends:grin2

[MICKTLS]

thats why its wobbling a bit on the bends id go back to where it was fitted

[bikerboyz]

say its their problem to sort out the tyre problem which you have, it would ride crap due to both wheels being out of line anyway, it would cause the wobble but did you see them balance the wheel and with the side wall rubbing on the chain it down to fitting , so if i was you, i would go back to them, or take it to the trading standards, only due to i am a tyre fitter, they will soon sort it then you see

[FACESLIDER]

Thanks for the advice people:clap :clap :grin2

[rembrandt]

Have you looked on the side of the tyre to see what size they fitted I have a 190/50 on the millie and no problems , it has slowed the tip in slightly from the 180/55 I had but havent found no other problem with it

[FACESLIDER]

Just had a look, it's a 190/50 zr17:grin2 :grin2

[rembrandt]

just went out and crueled round the back of mine and the rear tyre is bloody close to the chain about 2mm clearance, and you can push the chain onto the tyre with very little effort if the mich tyre is slightly wider which it could be , reports on AF1 site about mich tyres rubbing on hugger etc looks like you might have to go to 180 M8 , I will next time

[Lateshift]

I have to say i never had a problem with this bike or the last one, with 190's or 180's, i think the fact they havent aligned the wheel properly is absolutely disgraceful, if it was me i would be into them for everything, that could have wrecked the bike, when the chain snaps on a Rotax engine it normally takes the engine case with it ;)

2mm out is enough to throw a chain especially on a torque monster, at one notch out that is scandalous, the problem here is do you leave it and let them have a look at it, or do you try and align the wheel to see if it helps sort the rubbing out????


Personnally i would ride the bike back to them, carefully i might add and then stick it to them, if they get lairy about it, just tell them you are ringing the trading standards and dont let them touch the bike until they get there ;) :D

[DJMCJERICO]

I think this is the place i normaly use, Romford roundabout, 3'rd exit under fly-over and about 3 mile down the road behind a shop?

They can fit tires to my bike for half of what anywhere else around here charges, but last time i went they put a standard platic valve cap back on instead of my shiney chrome one, when i pulled them on it they said something like the chrome caps rubbing on the valve pin and deflating the tire and i was better off with a normal one, I told him if you really want one they sell them at Halfords :grin2

If they don't put it right dude they will loose another customer, I won't be taking the chance of being spat off because someone can't be arsed to do thier job properly.

[FACESLIDER]

All sorted, although it got worse before it got better.
Went out to have a look round the bike yesterday and I thought that something (else) didn't look right with the rear tyre. So I gave it a kick and guess what, flat as feck. So I gave it a spin and found a nail. "feck feck feck feck feck:shooter ", I said. I thought i've now got to go back to the shop, tell them they have fecked up and try to get them to change it, oh and by the way it's got a nail in it.http://www.essexbikers.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif The problem was now though, how am I gonna get it to the shop. So I went to gerickes and got some slime just to put in it to get it to the shop. So at the shop this morning everything was going fine. They were really nice and helpfull, they said they would speek to the michelin rep and he will come down to have a look and he'll probably say put another one on no charge. Then I told him it has a nail, and he said if the rep see's that he wont change it but I'll try and keep it hidden from him. Then I told him it also has slime in it and then he said I'd have no chance. The rep won't even come and look at it. So I've had to pay for another onehttp://www.essexbikers.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif they scrubbed off the fitting to try and help me out a bit. So it was £102.Then my card wouldn't go through, but thats another story:grin2
Anyway.
Just spoke to the shop again and they have been in contact with the rep. All was ok untill they told him it has slime, then as they said he wouldn't come down to have a look.He did say however that he'd never had this problem before but he was going to look into it.The tyre must of been slightly over 190.
I also asked them about the wheel being out of line by a notch and they said they never touch the adjusters unless there asked to. I actually thought that. So it must of been hyside's because i've never touched the back wheel. It must of been like that the day I picked it uphttp://www.essexbikers.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif. So much for a pdi.the odd thing is though It's only recently started to wobble.
So, it's all done now anyway. I've got a 180 on now.
Thanks again people:clap :clap

??????????????? I'd still like to know why the bloke fitting the tyre never told me it was hitting the chain, surley he must of seen it,

[Lateshift]

Is this bloke taking you for a mug or something????

You cant get a back wheel off that bike without undoing the chain adjusters, thats how the wheel moves forward to allow them to take the chain off ;)

Trust me on this, they have undone the chain adjusters, removed the wheel, fitted the tyre and then put it all back together without checking the correct alignment of the wheel, it is their responsibility to make sure that the wheel goes back on in the correct way, correctly aligned and with the chain correctly tensioned, its their bread and butter! ;)

To be told they dont touch the adjusters unless they are asked to is an abslolute pack of lies! and i would have laughed at them for trying to fob me off with that :D

Seeing as they have to call the rep to see if he wants to inspect it, you would have thought that they could have washed the tyre slime out of it in 2 minutes, it seems to me they are just feeding you crap for the sake of it ;)

[Tark]

Can you not pull the spindle out then roll the wheel forward to get the chain off the sprocket? Thats what I do with all my other bikes so I dont have to touch the adjusters. Cant remember what the Mille swingarm is like off the top of my head.

[Lateshift]

You could do it like that but that means in most cases banging the spindle through which can leave nasty marks on the anodised swingarms.

The reason why i find this strange is because when they fit the 2CT's to my old RSV, i was with them watching them work on it, and they adjusted the chain when they had finished.

I think its just a bag of excuses for a problem they have caused, it seems they have wriggled to get out of it ;)

[DoodleBug]

TBH Lateshift the place I use up in town (admittedly a courier chop shop) just remove the spindle, I have to ask them to tighten the chain, however I wouldnt be happy seeing someone do it to the work of art which is an Aprilia swing arm! Surely when the wheel was spun after fitting, which most mechanics do to check for missed stickers etc, it would have wobbled a bit and made a sh sh sh sound as it hit and released the chain. Not good! :(

[FACESLIDER]

I don't efin believe it, Just pulled this out of my new tyre.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/jreardon/DSC00033.jpg
The thing is it hasn't popped the tyre. It was sort of in on it's side if you know what I mean. I'm not sure what to do, I can't afford another tyre at the mo. It would be the third in a couple of weeks.
I'm not sure if you can see in the pics what I mean. As the tyre is brand new there's loads of rubber so I guess it just went along the thick part. It's very hard to explain.It went across the tyre not in the tyre...
Have a look, What do you think?:grin2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/jreardon/DSC00027.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/jreardon/DSC00032.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/jreardon/DSC00031.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/jreardon/DSC00034.jpg

[Tark]

Look strange but I wouldn't worry about it. The pics with it removed look ok . I have had bigger chunks out of my race tyres when I have crashed and they have still been ok when scrubbed up. As long as it hasn't come close to puncturing the inner and then may cuase a week spot in the carcas. I would just say carry on riding and have fun!

[DoodleBug]

If you do have trouble mate, I will show you how to plug it, have done many of my own now, never had one fail!