Bike accident video

[DoodleBug]

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=133464&command=displayContent&sourceNode=133158&contentPK=15362171&folderPk=78031&pNodeId=133174

Apologies if you have already seen this, but have only just found it so here it is. It does involve footage of a biker being knocked off his bike so the sensitive amongst us may want to avoid!

[FACESLIDER]

Bloody hell, The bike seems to come across the lanes at a funny angle as if he was going for the hard shoulder. It's hard to see though. The response time of that second copper is amazinghttp://www.essexbikers.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif
He was very lucky to get away with that...

[DoodleBug]

...The response time of that second copper is amazing...

Had an air of, "oh well another biker bites the dust", to it! :shooter

[r6paul]

That is crazy. Lucky guy to walk away.

I watched it a few times and in slow motion can't work out whoose fault it is. Yes the car went into the back of the bike but it looks like the bike has just jumped lanes. Not really a good angle, altho im gueesing it was the cars fault.

The landrover must have been going fast as it couldnt stop and eneded up going onto the grass, whereas the silver car in the fast lane stopped before the bike.

Didn't like the fact that only 2 people got out their cars to help. If it were me i would have got out the car and help clear the bike out the way, and pick up some of the parts. maybe it was due to shock?


Stay safe people

[Lateshift]

you serious Paul?

its quite clear its the bikers fault for coming across and not even checking the car had enouugh room ;)

seems to me from the angle he entered the lane he was either watching the layby or just didnt think to look over his shoulder ;)

[r6paul]

The response time of that second copper is amazing

I thought about that at first, thought what a lazy guy, but then thinking about it he was on the radio, calling for ambulance, so needed to say it clearly, plus the woman copper was there comforting the biker, so realisticly there is nothing he can do apart from pick some bits up.....




Or try and breathalise him :laugh1

[r6paul]

you serious Paul?

its quite clear its the bikers fault for coming across and not even checking the car had enouugh room ;)

seems to me from the angle he entered the lane he was either watching the layby or just didnt think to look over his shoulder ;)



I did consider that, but then thought that it could be possible that he was in that lane but sort of lost concerntration heading towards the centre line, then realised and moved back accorss.

But then re-looking over it, yes your prob right. Would be easier to tell if there was footage at a better angle before the car hit the bike

[Lateshift]

I think he just didnt look in all honesty, and rather than maintain direction and speed and glide across he literally just swept straight across the path of the car, that surely he must have overtaken seconds earlier (given how close he was to it).

I dont think its an accident he will forget for a while though ;)

[Dal]

Looking at the footage i'm not quite as certiain as you guys appear to be in terms of who is at fault.

I would actually say they are both at fault.

If you look above the police car you can see a sign board. Which we will have to assume is showing an exit.

Also the car pulling back on to the 'A' road does so slowly.

My conclusion is (and it's probably wrong) the bike does pull in front of the car and sees the traffic in front of him slowing (as can be seen by the clio's break lights) the bike sees this and matches their speed.

The car that strikes the biker is not paying attention to the slowing traffic. If you play the video in real time repeatedly from just before the bike is struck the speed of the vehicle appears to be faster than the vehicles around it.

Although I agree the biker could have protected himself better by using some basic road awareness.

Just my twopenth worth. :reading

[FACESLIDER]

Definatly the bikes fault for me. Admitidly the car may have been more interested as to why the plod were in the hardshoulder, I doubt they were speading though, but the bike should never have got infront of him when he did, what makes me think he didn't see him. I thought the bloke had just past a advanced riding class.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/jreardon/1-1.jpg
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[Lateshift]

If the car that hit the bike is already in that lane, then its not down to him to match his speed to a bike that is entering the lane too sharply, i wouldnt say there was any poor observation involved other than that of the biker in fairness,

The poor car driver probably didnt have a chance.

Everyone else seems to maintain speed, the Clio probably had a quick dab of the brake after seeing the Police car (and very likely a check speed dab of the pedal after the white car pulled out into traffic).

The exit would appear to be further up from the layby as i can only see 2 lanes of traffic further up, also a second sign in frame that looks more like a junction sign, the first one is probably (cant tell) a precursor to that one.

Watch the video again and pause it at around 33 seconds, you wont see the biker look over his shoulder, it doesnt even appear as if he is actually looking all the way up the road beyond the car in front of him, probably focussing on the back of the Clio.

I would say that the car that hit him did appear to be travelling too quickly but the bikers surely would have overtaken that car less than 10 seconds earlier so would have at least been quicker or matching its speed?

The car in the outside lane that appears after the accident is 4 seconds back from the accident, and looks to me like there was plenty of space, however the inside lane appears again to me heavier, i couldnt make out any indicator at all, but that could be down to the crap video quality, but it isnt difficult to realise that the biker gave the car no distance at all and cuts straight across the front of him ;)

Total lack of observation, we all suffer from it from time to time, this time it was the fault of the biker in my book, with probably a fraction too much speed (considering the density of traffic in that lane) from the Silver car, however take the bike out of the way and he had a relatovely clear lane for the next 3 or 4 seconds.

There is however another twist on this

Do hazard lights come on at the point of impact???????

Its quite clear that on impact the silver car has hazards flashing, would this suggest that he was slowing down rapidly as a result of the clio in front slowing down for the white golf/polo, and he was trying to warn others that he was braking sharply??? or do they go off during a collision? tough call that one because i can definitely see hazard lights as soon as it appears in the screen :)

[FACESLIDER]

Well spotted,,,
Hmmmmmmmm hazards????????????????http://www.essexbikers.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon5.gif
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[Dal]

I have to admit I can't think of any reason why the bike would be approaching at that angle. It's almost as though his come from the outside and intends going into the layby (or whatever it is). Doesn't matter how many times I watch it. It still looks wrong.

I never noticed the Hazzards either!

Mr Eagle eyes!! :laugh1

[Dal]

Has anyone worked out what the car is?

It maybe that the hazards are automaticly triggered by hitting the brakes that hard (ABS) or from a SRS sensor triggered by the impact.

Unlikly but possible / plausable

[stu600cc]

It looks like to me that the bike had been filtering and because that car had pulled out the traffic was slowling so the bike looked like he was taking up his lane and the car was trying to get in the fast lane.