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Hi all,
As the title suggests I’m thinking of replacing my Triumph Sprint. It's not that there’s anything wrong with it, it's just that it's well a little too practical.
So hers my short list:
Aprilia RSV (Not R model and old shape)
Honda VTR SP1
Suzuki TL1000R
Ducati 749
You may notice a trend lol
Anyway my top budget is £5000.00 and that’s based on me getting £2500.00 for the trumpet.
I'm not looking for the fastest bike on the planet; I just want something a little more errrrrrmmmm fun.
If there is anything missing from the list you think I should consider let me know.
So to the question, which would you buy and why?
Dal
Actually scrub all that! :o
After a bit of a reality check I remembered why I bought the Triumph in the first place Anything sports orientated makes me feel like a cripple after about 30 mins and lets be honest about it even the Triumph has more ability than I do
So after having come back down to earth what else is there other than the VFR 800 (which must be a contender) I can't afford a new shape Sprint the prices are still so :eek:
I would like something a little more interesting though :headbash
Lateshift
15-09-2006, 10:04 AM
The RSVR certainly wont put any pressure on your arms and you can always change the bars for the Tuono ones or you could put the Gilles Variobars on it in place of the standard clip ons. (and with your budget that is definitely an RSVR with all the Ohlins kit).
VTR SP1 & SP2, true jockey position bike, really fancied one myself but felt like i was perched too high up and too far forward on it.
Ducati 749, wouldnt bother with, for a 750 at that price the power output wont be particularly inspiring as they make around 110 bhp at best.
Suzuki TL1000R, you will be surprised at these, big chunky bike that has plenty of tank to lean on and take the pressure off the arms ;)
DoodleBug
15-09-2006, 10:10 AM
There is always the Falco ;)
There is always the Falco ;)
How much different is it?
DoodleBug
15-09-2006, 10:13 AM
You'd have to try one on TBH, I think it has a detuned RSV engine in it, Lateshift will know better. It will certainly sound the part, and be comfortable. There is also the Ducati ST4 which are supposed to be quite good.
The RSVR certainly wont put any pressure on your arms and you can always change the bars for the Tuono ones or you could put the Gilles Variobars on it in place of the standard clip ons. (and with your budget that is definitely an RSVR with all the Ohlins kit).
I can't go to the 'R' insurance is just stupid.
Suzuki TL1000R, you will be surprised at these, big chunky bike that has plenty of tank to lean on and take the pressure off the arms ;)
Isn't the TLR just little two focused still and pretty heavy in town with that steering damper .
DoodleBug
15-09-2006, 10:16 AM
Have a sit on the TLR it may be more comfy than you'd expect. Also you can always turn the damper down if you are not intending to ride round at top whack everywhere.
Ok What about the Touno 'R' insurance on that seems realistic
DoodleBug
15-09-2006, 10:25 AM
Cracking bike, a mille minus its fairing and flat bars. Faceslider on here has recently bought one and loves it!
Lateshift
15-09-2006, 10:27 AM
Not too sure why people think that the insurance is a massive hike up from the RSV to the RSVR, its the same insurance class and even the new one is group 16 compared to most of the other 750 plus superbikes ;)
I cant see it being much different to be honest than insurance on the sprint if you are with the right insurance company.
The Falco, ah a real hidden gem, i would probably have one myself, or should say would have :)
Mille engine (V990) tuned down slightly to around the 108bhp mark, but still keeps over 65ft/lbs of torque, a frame that can almost match the Mille in terms of handling but the comfort of a proper sports tourer.
Most who know about them call them Aprilia hidden secret, massively reliable and even tuneable (lots of people go down the route of sticking the Mille swingarm on them and tuning the engine back up, in truth they are just as capable on the track as the Mille is.
You dont see many of them because Aprilia got the marketing wrong on it and subsequently pulled the plug on them, and they brought it out at the wrong time too, but a good example is still going to cost over £3500 if you can find one for sale that is as lots of owners keep hold of them.
Not too sure why people think that the insurance is a massive hike up from the RSV to the RSVR, its the same insurance class and even the new one is group 16 compared to most of the other 750 plus superbikes ;)
I cant see it being much different to be honest than insurance on the sprint if you are with the right insurance company.
The Falco, ah a real hidden gem, i would probably have one myself, or should say would have :)
Mille engine (V990) tuned down slightly to around the 108bhp mark, but still keeps over 65ft/lbs of torque, a frame that can almost match the Mille in terms of handling but the comfort of a proper sports tourer.
Most who know about them call them Aprilia hidden secret, massively reliable and even tuneable (lots of people go down the route of sticking the Mille swingarm on them and tuning the engine back up, in truth they are just as capable on the track as the Mille is.
You dont see many of them because Aprilia got the marketing wrong on it and subsequently pulled the plug on them, and they brought it out at the wrong time too, but a good example is still going to cost over £3500 if you can find one for sale that is as lots of owners keep hold of them.
The insurance quote from e bike (current Insurer) Is RSV Mille £458.00
and for the 'R' they £1200.00 :eek:
Ok where is there a Aprilia dealer with a resonable amount of stock?
harriebird
15-09-2006, 10:45 AM
i'm just going to step in here and wave the Ducati flag!!! yes it's a 750 and not a powerful one at that, and i haven't ridden a 749, but i wouldn't discount it without having a go first.
matt test rode the 999 but decided it had more than he would ever need and be more on the insurance etc and so he plumped for the 749 and is very very happy with it.
if you are lucky enough to not find seat height a problem then i would go and test ride everything, i'm not dissing anyone's opinions but the only way you will find out what you like is to have a go!!!
my 748 is so so so so smooth, just unbelievable, and since having the suspension set up properly handles like a dream, especially on its hardcore track bitch settings (which i had to get changed because it was just crazy on the bumpy a12!!).
i've been riding it for several weeks day in day out, and i really missed my CBR400 while it was being fixed. when i got it back, and i never thought i would see the day when i said this, but i was desperate to get back on the 748 again, i'm pretty addicted to the thumping twin thing now.
if i could reach a mille that's what i'd have (if i got anything else) but i just haven't got loads of cash to get it cut/butchered down to my size when at the moment i'm happy with the 748. which is gonna be worthless soon anyway, it's sat on 19,999 miles as we speak, was on 15k when i bought it!
Lateshift
15-09-2006, 11:07 AM
The only problem with the 749 and its slight lack of power is the Ducati price tag, you dont get enough for your cash compared to other bikes, they handle fantastically, they are supposed to being a track biased bike, much the same as a well set up 748/916/996 :)
But how much are the services too ;)
With most sports bikes now, the most you will pay for the all singing and all dancing service including the valve checks, is around £350, find a good dealer that isnt interested in ripping you off and its cheaper still.
Any bike can be setup to handle well if the suspension is set for them, it transforms a bike, mostly in the mind to a degree because you tend to have confidence in someone who is supposed to know how to do it ;)
Test rides, cant say enough about them, the only bike that i actually test rode with a view to buying was Juliets RS125 and also the ZX9R, i didnt bother with the rest because to sit on, they were comfortable enough for me.
I too (when i am at work that is :D ) tend to do 80 miles a day, using the car is a last resort working in London, i have never suffered from sore wrists and i suspect again that i am probably just about the right height for any of the bikes i have had, either that or the last 20 years in the gym werent wasted :)
With a budget of £5000 the world is your oyster really, a 750 twin wouldnt inspire me for every day riding when a 600 has the same sort of power these days and attracts a lower price tag, A 1000cc bike is going to be had in most cases for less than a Ducati these days too.
Thats not dismissing Ducati out of the picture here, if i had the money i would probably be looking for a 996 myself, having seen enough 748's now i think the riding position is too small for me and the bike too heavy for such a small bike, which is why i would want a bigger engine in it (not a problem if you weigh less than 14 stone i suppose).
The 749, i think they got wrong though, 98bhp for a 750 bike that carries an insurance group that the 1000cc bikes have and has a kerb weight of more than most of them (199kg), on a track, faultless, for the road, there is more for your money these days.
You not thought about an SV1000S???
Got to be a serious contender, i had a tussle with one of them coming back from London the other night when i was on the Aprilia, well into 3 figures coming down the A130 and he wanted to play all the way back, astonished at the performance of it is probably an exaggeration but surprised is what i was when we were side by side at 90 and he ripped the throttle open, took me about 10 seconds to actually catch him up :D
Effort
15-09-2006, 07:14 PM
I am an owner of such a bike. quick when ya want it, and cruise when ya wanna....I bought one as riding position is not as hunched over bars as RSV. I am 6ft 2 and was all elbows and knee bashing. has got same engine as RSV. same brake setup too. has got twin pipes instead of single as on RSv. Mine is on second map on ECU which is easy done, running dynojet 2, and runs at 118bhp. would recommend testing one....not many about thou.....best of luck choosing. I paid 3K fot y2k model.
Had a run out today, to see whatwas about locally The answer is simple bugger all :(
I visited a couple of Aprilia dealers and they had nothing under about £7000.00 :eek:
Anyway I have now decided it will be an Aprilia (I think :headbash ) not sure which one though. I'm now not having to sell the Trumpet to fund the new(er) one so I can now look at private sales also.
I really need to ride some though but thats proving awkward when there arn't any about :confused:
milleuks
16-09-2006, 07:17 AM
Here you go
http://www.parkinsonmotorcycles.co.uk/
They have got a Falco-TL1000-etc etc in stock and you can try them ,plus plenty of Dukes on demo
Dave
rembrandt
16-09-2006, 07:27 AM
well if you ur interested give me a PM Im sure we can come to a deal etc only selling because I cant afford 2 bikes and cant bring me sell to drop her as for a test as your a member of the group we can discuss it
the insurance for me was £520 fully comp, 41 yrs old/ no no-claims / meta347t v2 alarm/ and kept in a locked garage
http://www.essexbikers.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=6271
Today I had a run over to on yer bike in Buckinghamshire.
At first it's a bit weird there are people every where, talking to one of the sales guys a lot of people use it as a meeting place and then go for a blat along the A41.
Anyway they have Aaprilias in every shape and size, I have now shortened my list (well sort of) and have discounted the older model purely on the styling and the scud launcher fitted to the side and also dissmissed the Tuono as the wind blast would drive me mad after a while. Oh I also knocked the 749 off the list this was because of the build quality, they had about 5 used models on display and everyone of them were showing rust on and around the frame.
The problem with the dealership is they have about everything under one roof and the sales guy decided to show me some benelli's and MV's the MV's were the older 750 F4 's nice but not for me the Benelli's were the 900 Triple Tornados and I have to say gorgeous. But the problem with exclusivity is the cost of everything parts, servicing etc (although I may persue this further ;) ) The other bike that I love the look of is the Kawasaki ZX10R with the underseat exhausts.
The visit today was suposed to make the decision easier! Not harder!
Dal
was scanning ebay earlier and I like this with the twin exhausts :jumping2 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230029993133&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2F search.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D230029993133%2 6fvi%3D1
Are there any other after market exhausts like this?
milleuks
17-09-2006, 07:22 PM
Dal, those are Jorge`s cans on there mate from Renegade @ West Kingsdown in Kent {just past Brands on the right} he has been playing with RSV`S for years m8 , can assure you they will sound awsome he always manages to get a very deeeeep sounding can, Ask Tark he raced with Jorge a couple of years back.
hth Dave
rembrandt
17-09-2006, 07:58 PM
agree with milleuk Renegade pipes sound awsome and they also make other great kit for the mille to
Lateshift
17-09-2006, 08:04 PM
Renegade pipes are awesomely noisy, not in an annoying way, more of a V90 engine way :D
(being picky that advert though is a crock, its certainly not a Mille R, its an RSV with ohlins stuck on it and Oz Wheels, and it doesnt look particularly nice at that ;) :D ).
To be honest i'm more like to end up going for one of these eBay Item Number 160029750671 at that money it's a no brainer ;) isn't it ?:confused:
Lateshift
17-09-2006, 09:32 PM
first question to ask on that one, is why are the exhaust cans out of alignment?
secondly seeing as the right hand one is higher than the left, ask what the Renthal sticker on the right hand of the swing arm is covering, chances are the swingarm is scratched where the cans have either been off the bike and refitted incorrectly or there has been a can on it and at some point the bike has fallen over and scratched the swingarm.
thirdly, its an 04 bike, regardless of whether it still has 1 year of its warranty remaining, you need to know if its had the swingarm recall done, a batch of 04 bikes came out that developed a stress fracture on one of the fittings where the hugger/chain guard attached to, as a result Aprilia recalled them and also fitted a new chain to it at the same time as the new swingarm.
It may have been done already but worth checking.
Also, just beware that a few of the 04 and 05 bikes managed to get poorly manufactured oil tanks that developed a stress fracture along the bracket where it joins the engine, this resulted in the an oil leak on the tank, not a problem under warranty and in truth rather than keep you off the road whilst they get another in, they tend to weld it and send you on your way whilst they wait for the part to arrive.
Other than that its all good, that model factory is only a couple of bhp down on the current model RSVR/Factory, but all the carbon, the ohlins damper, suspension front and rear not to mention the radial brakes and Oz lightweight wheels are a result at that price :)
If in doubt, get the chassis number off them, let me or MilleUks know and we will find out from Southern Cross for you if there is anything outstanding recall wise :)
first question to ask on that one, is why are the exhaust cans out of alignment?
secondly seeing as the right hand one is higher than the left, ask what the Renthal sticker on the right hand of the swing arm is covering, chances are the swingarm is scratched where the cans have either been off the bike and refitted incorrectly or there has been a can on it and at some point the bike has fallen over and scratched the swingarm.
thirdly, its an 04 bike, regardless of whether it still has 1 year of its warranty remaining, you need to know if its had the swingarm recall done, a batch of 04 bikes came out that developed a stress fracture on one of the fittings where the hugger/chain guard attached to, as a result Aprilia recalled them and also fitted a new chain to it at the same time as the new swingarm.
It may have been done already but worth checking.
Also, just beware that a few of the 04 and 05 bikes managed to get poorly manufactured oil tanks that developed a stress fracture along the bracket where it joins the engine, this resulted in the an oil leak on the tank, not a problem under warranty and in truth rather than keep you off the road whilst they get another in, they tend to weld it and send you on your way whilst they wait for the part to arrive.
Other than that its all good, that model factory is only a couple of bhp down on the current model RSVR/Factory, but all the carbon, the ohlins damper, suspension front and rear not to mention the radial brakes and Oz lightweight wheels are a result at that price :)
If in doubt, get the chassis number off them, let me or MilleUks know and we will find out from Southern Cross for you if there is anything outstanding recall wise :)
Cheers for that Lateshift,
It wont be that exact bike as it's gonna take me a couple of weeks for the money to be released. There have been a couple of factory's on ebay of late and about that sort of money, so I guess they will only get cheaper as it gets colder and darker lol
still have to try one yet though as being a little short in the leg they are about the maximum seat height I could go to (can you adjust the seat/ ride height without buggering up the suspension?) and even then it's a little to tall. So I am still gonna keep this in the back of my mind Item number: 190031351402
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