so how dya ride one of these veetwinny things?

[troutslayer]

just brought home next seasons race bike... 620 monster. got a few bits to do before its ready to roll but sounds so purtty thanks to the one off zorst and open airbox thats fitted up :)

having not ridden one of these before (apart from once briefly in the paddock at snett), its going to be a learning curve as im far more used to high revving strokers and IL4's...

anyways, i'll pop some pics up of before (how it stands now) and after (err, after) at some point!

[troutslayer]

http://www.curzonweb.co.uk/images/duc1.jpg

http://www.curzonweb.co.uk/images/duc2.jpg

http://www.curzonweb.co.uk/images/duc3.jpg

not too much done just yet, have modified the seat position from where it was into a lower front to give more of a regular sports bike feel, added some side pods to direct air to the reg/rec and just given it a check over

[Lateshift]

This should be interesting as i go to watch these when i watch New Era and if what i have been reading on other websites is correct it looks like you may have some company too :)

Its a 620, you can get away with riding them like you stole it, it certainly shouldnt give you any problems given that you are used to racing already and you will adapt to the V Twin style in no time at all :) :)

[harriebird]

damn...sprung!

[troutslayer]

This should be interesting as i go to watch these when i watch New Era and if what i have been reading on other websites is correct it looks like you may have some company too :)

oh? like who?

[Lateshift]

all shall be revealed shortly i imagine ;) :D

(But it certainly isnt me thats for sure! :D )

[troutslayer]

dyno'd today, all healthy, and some quick airbox experiments went in the direction i expected. that means that i have the right idea's on what mods to make to gain a few more bhp cheaply :)

[DoodleBug]

Out of interest Trouty, what sort of times do you do around brands Indy?

[troutslayer]

on what?

on the tzr i was doing 57's (sprint race)
on the gsxr750 54's (endurance)
on the monster?? dunno. i think the lap record is 54. i dont expect to be too close to that but hopefully sub 1min.

[DoodleBug]

Excellent, whens the first meeting?

[fall off]

on what?

on the tzr i was doing 57's (sprint race)
on the gsxr750 54's (endurance)
on the monster?? dunno. i think the lap record is 54. i dont expect to be too close to that but hopefully sub 1min.

bleeding 5 seconds faster then me , thats my target for this yr.
you not doing any endurance this yr then mate?

[troutslayer]

bleeding 5 seconds faster then me , thats my target for this yr.
you not doing any endurance this yr then mate?

at the moment, no. Except the moped mayhem 3hr scooter race in a couple of weeks time. But ya never know! :)

if i was going to Brands on the 750 again, i'd be looking for consistent 53's with a spattering of the odd 52 for good measure. we only took it to brands once to trackday (shared between 2 people) and once to race, and as it was the first race of the season, none of us were particularly used to the bike.

[harriebird]

hehe back to the original topic.....i should find out next sunday :eek:

trouty have you been out on yours yet?!

[troutslayer]

had my first ride on it at brands hatch on saturday. not bad at all! standard gearing, same tyres that were fitted at some point last season, didnt check tyre pressures...

ran 59's. ducati 620 lap record 55.4

not too bad at all i reckon, for a first ride on it :)

[DoodleBug]

Nicely done, was the weather as good at Brands on Sat as it was here?

Is the first race next weekend?

[troutslayer]

wetaher started out damp but dried up and the sun came out in the afternoon. first race for desmodue is 15th april, at brands hatch.

[troutslayer]

oh yeah, forgot to update with what the bike looks like now... so here it is, heading down the pitlane at the hatch

http://www.thelondonbikers.com/iB_html/uploads/post-2-72674-IMG_0025.jpg

and at the ally pally show:

http://www.thelondonbikers.com/iB_html/uploads/post-2-68813-Img_1321.jpg

bodywork has now been removed and sent away for painting :) i've carved a piece around the clutch cover on the right side, and carved out the piece on the left side that was designed for a side stand. the fairings are from 748/916/996 and still the gsxr750 seat. only real changes to the bike, since visiting the dyno, has been a permanent modification to the airbox and change of air filter, and some work on the rear shock to get it how i like it.

[gixer400]

awesome looking monster!

748 front? whats the ar*e off?

only the tank gives it away at being a monster. and swinger

[Perilous]

Very nice. Not bad times either for first go on it.:)

[troutslayer]

awesome looking monster!

748 front? whats the ar*e off?

only the tank gives it away at being a monster. and swinger

had alloy bracket made up in 2 pieces for headstock mounting the fairing, as the monster obviously doesnt come with any sort of fairing stay mounting points. and some little bracket bits to go on the trellis to hold the fairing sides into place.

the tail is k4/k5 gsxr750

the little sidepods under the seat unit are original monster. cable tied into place for proper racer fitting :)

[Perilous]

I was just looking at the 2006 Brands time sheet to see how your first go would compare wit normal times as opposed to the lap record but looking at the times Domski ran it was obviously wet so that was a waste of time.

I noticed its a pretty small grid though (18). Do you get your own grid or do you have to share with another class?

[troutslayer]

There's 2 classes - class a = 620cc, class b = 583cc pre injection. They were all out on grid, but classes were split on the results sheets. this year, there's about 70 registered riders. I'm not sure what the split between class a and class b is, but reckon its probably about 50/50 split. We have 2 grids anyways :D

Heres the results of Brands Hatch in 2005. This was the 5th race meeting of the season, so everyone should have been well into the swing of things by this point...

excuse the formatting, copied/pasted from a pdf file.
position, #, rider, laps, best lap, overall time, best lap on lap #,

1 62 C DE TARNOWSKY 8 56.63 7:40.37 5 77.95 76.71 Ducati 620 DD
2 8 Geoff SPENCER 8 56.26 7:40.54 2 78.46 76.68 0.17 Ducati 620 DD
3 36 Andy JOHNSON 8 56.31 7:41.24 8 78.39 76.56 0.87 Ducati 600 DD
4 26 Mike DAWSON 8 57.17 7:57.77 8 77.21 73.92 17.40 Ducati 620 DD
5 21 Tim HOWARD 8 58.02 7:58.92 8 76.08 73.74 18.55 Ducati 620 DD
6 0 Rob HOYLES 8 58.16 7:58.98 8 75.90 73.73 18.61 Ducati 620 DD
7 63 Richard SNIEG 8 58.47 8:00.19 5 75.50 73.54 19.82 Ducati 620 DD
8 42 Ian LEAH 8 58.47 8:00.43 4 75.50 73.51 20.06 Ducati 620 DD
9 69 Marcus BLACKBURN 8 58.17 8:00.90 5 75.89 73.43 20.53 Ducati 620 DD
10 34 Nick BOUSTEAD 8 58.40 8:01.15 8 75.59 73.40 20.78 Ducati 618 DD
11 2 Phillip HUNTLEY 8 58.49 8:01.98 6 75.47 73.27 21.61 Ducati 675 DD
12 99 Andrew ROBERTS 8 59.16 8:03.46 8 74.62 73.05 23.09 Ducati 674 DD
13 47 Richard THIRKETTLE 8 59.07 8:08.56 7 74.73 72.28 28.19 Ducati 620
14 68 Paul PAYNE 8 58.64 8:09.21 7 75.28 72.19 28.84 Ducati 674 DD
15 10 James THOMPSON 8 59.77 8:09.46 4 73.86 72.15 29.09 Ducati 675 DD
16 23 Dominic CANN 8 59.79 8:14.02 7 73.83 71.48 33.65 Ducati 620 DD
17 88 Kevin ELLIS 8 59.71 8:15.80 8 73.93 71.23 35.43 Ducati 583 DD
18 9 Peter YATES 8 59.49 8:16.00 8 74.20 71.20 35.63 Ducati 620 DD SL
19 77 Chris BUTCHER 8 1:00.43 8:20.58 7 73.05 70.55 40.21 Ducati 618 DD
20 22 Michael WINTER 8 1:00.31 8:25.09 8 73.19 69.92 44.72 Ducati 618 DD
21 111 Antony ESPINDOLA 8 1:00.72 8:26.04 8 72.70 69.79 45.67 Ducati 674
22 78 Grahame BUTCHER 8 1:01.89 8:31.18 3 71.33 69.08 50.81 Ducati 618
23 82 Antoine JOSSERAND 8 1:01.03 8:31.28 4 72.33 69.07 50.91 Ducati 620
24 17 Phil HARRIS 8 1:01.71 8:35.36 7 71.53 68.52 54.99 Ducati 675 DD
25 65 Duncan MORE 8 1:01.30 8:35.75 8 72.01 68.47 55.38 Ducati 620 DD
26 4 Paul SUTLIFF 8 1:02.13 8:35.78 3 71.05 68.47 55.41 Ducati 583 DD
27 13 Glyn HINSLEY 8 1:01.19 8:36.62 8 72.14 68.36 56.25 Ducati 600 DD
28 44 Kevin MOONEY 8 1:02.91 8:39.63 4 70.17 67.96 59.26 Ducati 600 DD
29 33 Mike ATACK 8 1:01.66 8:39.67 7 71.59 67.96 59.30 Ducati 620 DD
30 3 Kevin PALMER 8 1:03.01 8:40.94 7 70.06 67.79 1:00.57 Ducati 675 DD
31 39 Doug CLEMMANS 7 1:03.91 7:45.95 7 69.07 66.32 1 Lap Ducati 620 DD
32 45 Mark FOSKETT 7 1:04.83 7:49.73 7 68.09 65.78 1 Lap Ducati 600 DD

link to 2005 results: http://www.ddracer.com/main/index.php?itemid=18

obviously, riders improve and bikes improve. Shame last year was wet, as they would be nice for comparison.

[Perilous]

Yeah but the times only tend to close up they don't get that much faster at the front so looking at that even if the front runners were on lap record pace, knocking off the usual actual race second or two you're gonna be well on the money then.

Didn't realise Mr Hoyles raced the Desmo class. Poor 'ole boy was a bit of a sorry state at Brands this weekend hobbling around with a fractured pelvis.

[harriebird]

meanwhile i have got my work cut out! :eek:

[troutslayer]

dont worry, i think i have my work cut out too! i prefer to rate the smile factor, rather than the results factor... why dya think i stayed in tzr's??

[troutslayer]

http://www.curzonweb.co.uk/images/duc1401.jpg

[Tark]

Nice!

[harriebird]

see, graphite grey is THE colour this season dahhhhling!

looks lovely trouty :love1

[troutslayer]

http://www.curzonweb.co.uk/images/duc1403.jpg

[DoodleBug]

What time is qualifying, and the actual race itself?

[troutslayer]

qualifying at 10am. no idea what time first race will be though

[DoodleBug]

Early afternoon I expect.

Nervous yet? I bet the first race is a bloody nightmare. Good luck all taking part.

[troutslayer]

Early afternoon I expect.

Nervous yet? I bet the first race is a bloody nightmare. Good luck all taking part.

i would expect the first race to set off probably 11 - 11:30 ish? theres a fair few races to get through.

nervous?? nah. a bit concerned that the next time on the bike will be on brand new, cold, unscrubbed tyres for a qualifying session with no crash bungs fitted...

[harriebird]

trouty let me know if you think phil's crash bungs will fit, and i shall ahemmm....borrow them :grin2

or parkys might have some in stock, i've got to go in there on saturday anyway so can pick some up if you like.

[troutslayer]

thanks hun, not sure what to do to be honest. i've ordered them with R&G, but they dont think i'll have them in time. As they've been paid for, i dont want to go elsewhere to buy more cos they aint cheap.

If i can borrow phil's, then i can swap the bungs over once R&G have delivered, and pop phil's plus the new fittings into the post for him. But only if it aint going to be a pain in the butt for him.

Are phil's R&G? dont want to drill big holes in fairing that will be wrong size for when mine arrive... lol!

[harriebird]

yes they are R&G, the ones with the lovely big pole through the bike :grin2

i'd best just check with him but i'm sure he won't mind, since he trashed a pair of mine he can't really complain if someone else squishes his....not that i think you would :grin2

[troutslayer]

if i wreck 'em, i probably wont be in a fit state to worry about it too much! lol!

[Perilous]

thanks hun, not sure what to do to be honest.

You could always stay on it. :grin2

(says me:rolleyes: :grin2 )

[Perilous]

Anyway good luck the pair of ya. :)

[troutslayer]

You could always stay on it. :grin2

(says me:rolleyes: :grin2 )

the irony, my god it hurts!

[troutslayer]

You could always stay on it. :grin2

(says me:rolleyes: :grin2 )

you know what was funny?? my R&G's arrived saturday. I opted NOT to fit them (although i did fit the fork protectors as that didnt involve removing engine mounts).

My team mate had crash bungs. He had a small crash on friday testing at druids, which destroyed footrest, clip on and brembo m/c. He also crashed out of the first race at clearways, and quite ironicaly, ended up borrowing my shiny R&G's, with the instruction that i wanted them back just as shiny.

[troutslayer]

update to an earlier post...

[QUOTE=troutslayer;96682]on what?

on the tzr i was doing 57's (sprint race)
on the gsxr750 54's (endurance)
on the monster?? 58.06

[Perilous]

High 1.18s at the front in YPMers at Snett this weekend Trouty.

It's no longer a 'for a laugh' budget class.

[troutslayer]

High 1.18s at the front in YPMers at Snett this weekend Trouty.

It's no longer a 'for a laugh' budget class.

i saw that mate, what was he riding?? 350ypvs? those times wouldnt be too shoddy in an sbk400 race

[Lateshift]

Those times in an SBK400 race wouldnt be shoddy but they wouldnt be in the top 10 thats for sure, the front running pace at the moment for the top 5 is staggering at the moment :eek:

To stay in the top 5 at the moment if you arent consistently in the 1.17's or lower you tend to be playing catch up from a long way back, even at the higher end of the 1.17's one slip tends to result in someone climbing all over you, the competition and performance of the bikes out there at the moment really is that high :)

[troutslayer]

we're talking about 2 entirely different specs of machines here, from 2 different decades. For a YPM to drop into 1'18's is staggering. No, of course it wouldn't run in the top 10 of the 400's. Certainly not at a power hungry circuit like Snett.

[Perilous]

i saw that mate, what was he riding?? 350ypvs? those times wouldnt be too shoddy in an sbk400 race

I'm not sure to be honest Trouty, I haven't been camped with the YPMers this year. I did speak to Micheal briefly but he was with Keith Rossiter so as you can imagine he didn't get much of a word in. :grin2

I'll have a look at the programme tonight.

He was over a second faster than Pat Herron and the times soon drop away.

Like Josh Wainwright in our class (28 years younger than me:( :D ) with the right breaks he's one of those youngsters we'll be watching on TV soon.

[Lateshift]

Yeah i follow what you are on about, but in that respect its much the same as a 1990's 400's with no more than 83rwhp, putting in lap times quicker than 2007 600cc bikes that are running anywhere up to around 130 at the wheel.

There is no doubt that the YPM series has suddenly become slightly more serious in terms of people throwing cash at the bikes and tuning but then again the standard of riding from them with times like that is equally as impressive as the standard of machine that is out there too :)

[troutslayer]

i watched the gsxr cup races on saturday at brands... jeez! a couple of those blokes really stood out from the rest. 49's/50's on stock gsxr600's with road tyres...
the guy who won both races, i think he qual'd 7th. In race 1, he got the hole shot and pulled a good gap, red flagged 2 laps later... restart and he did the same, another red flag and another restart and he did the same again! i didnt catch his name but he was at another level.

[troutslayer]

Yeah i follow what you are on about, but in that respect its much the same as a 1990's 400's with no more than 83rwhp, putting in lap times quicker than 2007 600cc bikes that are running anywhere up to around 130 at the wheel.

There is no doubt that the YPM series has suddenly become slightly more serious in terms of people throwing cash at the bikes and tuning but then again the standard of riding from them with times like that is equally as impressive as the standard of machine that is out there too :)

i think its safe to say that there is overlap amongst all the classes with the other classes. I'm sure there would have been some 600's out there struggling to go quicker than 1'18.

[Lateshift]

There was a geezer yesterday in the Rookie 600's taking the mickey completely at Snett averaging 1.14's on a GSXR600, stand up wheelies from Russels across the line, some real clever racing too as he got rid of the chasing pack, hints of the Bob Collins about him to be honest but just looked like a complete package on a bike :)

A Chelmsford lad too :)

Josh Wainwright admittedly ran away with a couple of the races, but to take the lap record on the 400 in the style he did was showing that he is indeed in need of something for the future, got the weight and the ability to make a good top flight racer i reckon.


But yes there is a definite overlap, which isnt a bad thing because i could see it getting pretty messy with 30 bikes all running the same sort of lap times, exciting from a spectators point of view, scary from a riders one :D :D

Eeeeee you cant beat race season!!!! :D

[troutslayer]

you can tell its race season... the cheques are rapidly disappearing from the chequebook...

[Perilous]

Bob Collins without the gob!:grin2

[Perilous]

you can tell its race season... the cheques are rapidly disappearing from the chequebook...


Does your bank still issue you a cheque book. :grin2

Mind I did get excited whwen I got tyre sponsorship for the first year. I very nearly got my bank account back up to zero.:grin2 :grin2

[Perilous]

i think its safe to say that there is overlap amongst all the classes with the other classes. I'm sure there would have been some 600's out there struggling to go quicker than 1'18.

There was some old fart on a Cagiva (Oh my god I'm gonna die) Rupture that would have been very pleased to have done a1.18 and got home in one piece.:grin2

[Lateshift]

Old Fart on Cagiva, showing how to ride knackered V Twin thingymejig type bike :D

However point to note, suspension when getting on the throttle is not supposed to be compressed to the point where its just above bottoming out :D

Other point to note, suspension needs sorting as its errr flick flick flick, (looking for technical term) *fooooked* definition: knackered, useless, kaput :D


http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w278/whelkface/RaptorSnettAp07.jpg

Incidentally running new Galfer wavey disks with PFM pads on suspension that has no damping whatsoever and even less fork travel isnt conducive to good health ::D

[MICKTLS]

well at least he didnt go bloody mushroom picking sorry mick he he !!!!!!!!!

[Lateshift]

your quite right :D

but then as long as he stays on and i do all the falling off in between, it all works out well :D

[Perilous]

Actually I think we need to form some kind of binding contract where my pit crew are not allowed to cause me stress by crashing the weekend before a very busy race meet.:grin2

Looking at the belly pan scuff in that photo it looks like I'm going to be moving a few bits around when i get it so it'll take some proper, wear out the ankle slider ZXR type lean angle. :rolleyes:

[harriebird]

belly pan scuffs are the way forward.... :eek: ...jeeeeez i didnt realise until i sat on the floor next to my bike. hadn't banked on trashing Dave's handiwork so soon.

[Perilous]

belly pan scuffs are the way forward

No not really, as unlike the ZXR400 belly pan (which grounds at the same time as the pegs anyway) that belly pan doesn't push up out of the way so on a proper lap time the rear wheels going to come of the ground so the way forward is to sort the suspension, move things up and hang of it even more chimpanzee style.

Any muppet can ground the belly pan and pipes on a sh#t handling bus with no ground clearance. The idea is to keep things off the ground and get it up the front where it should be not leave a trail of yellow plastic everywhere.;)

[harriebird]

ffs i was kidding! jeeeez! :grin2