Bloody Traffic Cops!!!

[Becky B]

Y do they bother its as if they are jealous or some thing, like we got better toys than them, i got pulled on my way home about an hour ago for my number plate being in a ''single line index'' Never mind the muppet in front of me with a fridge freezer hanging out the boot of the car! Like f**k off!!

Funniest bit though was them two lemons tryin to find the Not for road use stamp on both cans. 20 minutes later still cant find it so they gave up, ha ha thank god for jubilee clips

[gixer400]

hahaha. bloomin plod.

it is funny watching them trying to find things out of place, klike the stamp.

i bet if a cage with a dead body hanging out of the boot drove by the popo wouldnt bat an eyelid.

your on 2 wheels, biggest crime in history!!

[Becky B]

Yeah dont we know quick to pull u up but your bike gets nicked they dont do alot

[Lateshift]

fairs fair though, if they have a target to meet (which they do and any of the Police on here that are members will tell you so ;) ) you can hardly expect them not to if you are using an illegal number plate ;)

Whilst i dont agree with it myself, most people recognise that a single line number plate is far easier for the Police to spot than a smaller standard shape one :)

It's all well and good for us to whinge and whine about being tugged, personnally if i get pulled over for having something that is illegal on the bike, i aint going to moan about it,

the crime is getting caught as they say ;) :D

[winjaninja]

i got pulled on my way home about an hour ago for my number plate being in a ''single line index''

I don't see your point Becky. If you run with a single line plate then you are going to get hassled. Last summer many Forces were highlighting cans and number plates because of the deployment of the new plate recognition equipment.

(Yes, I know, I'm going to get flamed like a Bar-B-Q steak for saying that)

[monkreadusuk]

fairs fair though, if they have a target to meet (which they do and any of the Police on here that are members will tell you so ;) ) you can hardly expect them not to if you are using an illegal number plate ;)

Whilst i dont agree with it myself, most people recognise that a single line number plate is far easier for the Police to spot than a smaller standard shape one :)

It's all well and good for us to whinge and whine about being tugged, personnally if i get pulled over for having something that is illegal on the bike, i aint going to moan about it,

the crime is getting caught as they say ;) :D

As unfortunate as it is, its true. I find that in order to keep your superiours off your back, you need to get the figures :(

A bit like the other day when a young lad got nicked for carrying a can of CS spray for personal protection. Even though it may have been solely for that purpose, its still classed as an offensive weapon and therefore illegal. I actually sympathised with the lad, but the law is the law, and you can't discriminate (although some cops may do).

Saying that, i'm still getting a Micron on my SV, and to hell with it if I get pulled. My life is worth more than that.

[Becky B]

Yea but at the end of the day i didnt do any thing wrong and they were being pickie, what about all these drivers who have no insurance or tax or even a licence?

[Lateshift]

to get tugged for having no insurance or licence, you have to be pulled over in the first place, to pull you over they have to have a reason ;)

i know that the Police training is quite intensive but i am positive it doesnt include telepathy ;) :D

you have an illegal number plate, you got tugged, live with it :D

do the crime do the time and all that jazz, just think yourself lucky it wasnt a bike cop that pulled you over as he would have been all over your bike like a rash and probably found something that these 2 didnt ;)


sometimes as bikers we have to stop thinking we are being persecuted by the Police and get on with biking, if you have something dodgy on your bike that is "spottable" thats their job whether we like it or not, if we get caught speeding, its a fair cop, get pulled lifting the front end and get a ban tough break, ultimately we all know the rules ;)

that might sound a bit patronising, and even a bit holier than thou, probably rightly so, i am as bad as everyone else for taking the mick on a bike, small number plate, loud cans and i take advantage of the fact that i am on a bike to the full whenever i can, if i get tugged for it the only thing i would be saying (if there was no doubt of my guilt) is "yup i am t**t :D "

[r6paul]

The reason they pull bikers as its easier to proove. Hence why boy racers aren't always pulled for loud exhausts.... you can't find a 'not for road use' stamp on a car exhaust

[Lateshift]

I dont doubt thats the case, its always easier to ping someone for something that can be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt than it is to sit and pull something apart ;)

The fact is that over the years the vast majority of bikers have flouted the regulations in some way, its part of biking i suppose, but it doesnt automatically make the Police the enemy :D

Take traffic cameras for example, a perfect money making exercise, however if you take all the crap about where the money from it actually goes, the simple fact is they catch people braking the law, and its only the person speeding that is to blame in reality.

We are a nation of moaning gits, its our right but it doesnt mean we cant just accept it when we "know" we are in the wrong and get on with life, its hardly martial law we are faced with :D

As i said its a case of take it on the chin,





then wait till they have gone and cane the crap out of the bike again! :D

[Becky B]

Yea didnt find my stamp either thanks to jubilee clips they had two big lamps searching for them little words, they had only just started their shift to cause their base is near my taxi office, i suppose to be workin 2nite but some dumb arse mechanic ballsed up my mini bus not pleased

[kasandrich]

At the end of the day, the Police have the option to use their discretion, but they never exercise that discretion in a bikers favour do they?.......thats why they are considered the enemy, it is a situation of their making.

It is a case of "we know you are guilty, we just haven't worked out what you are guilty of .....yet"

As for needing to pull people up to check if they have insurance etc, that is all on databases these days and they can tell if you have Tax, MOT and Insurance before they pull you up, all they need to do is verify the ID of the driver/rider as the registered keeper.

[Lateshift]

The only problem with that statement Kas is that not every car carries ANPR, meaning that for them to pull you in the first instance they have to spot something wrong with either your driving or the car, once they are on to you then they do an Index check ;)

I have had plenty of discretion used by bike cops and also the cage driving variety, most of it comes down to how lippy you want to be with them.

However i have found that aswell as being polite, being a senior soldier has got me off at least 3 occasions now ;) (unfair i know :D ).


And just for the record, when Essex Police brought the bikes back, in the first 2 months that i saw them on the road in the Southend area, each time i saw a Police bike at the side of the road talking to someone, it was a car they had pulled ;)

I can put my hand on my heart and categorically state that on a normal day i rarely see bikes being tugged, its normally cars, but with us being a minority on the road when a bike gets pulled over its discrimination all of a sudden :D

[NitroDaze]

The only problem with that statement Kas is that not every car carries ANPR, meaning that for them to pull you in the first instance they have to spot something wrong with either your driving or the car, once they are on to you then they do an Index check ;)

I have had plenty of discretion used by bike cops and also the cage driving variety, most of it comes down to how lippy you want to be with them.

However i have found that aswell as being polite, being a senior soldier has got me off at least 3 occasions now ;) (unfair i know :D ).


And just for the record, when Essex Police brought the bikes back, in the first 2 months that i saw them on the road in the Southend area, each time i saw a Police bike at the side of the road talking to someone, it was a car they had pulled ;)

I can put my hand on my heart and categorically state that on a normal day i rarely see bikes being tugged, its normally cars, but with us being a minority on the road when a bike gets pulled over its discrimination all of a sudden :D
I personally am for police bikes and regular insurance checks. I don't think drivers (car or bike) should be allowed to get away with driving on the roads without insurance. Though we love to hate insurance companies because they hate to payout and the police for the occasional irritation of being pulled. It is certainly a worst situation when you are hit by a car and the driver does a runner because he has no insurance and you are left injured on the side of the road plus the extensive bike damage which you have to payout to fix if you do not have comprehensive insurance.
On this particular matter, the police are our friends (augh! did l just say friends).

[STEALTH52]

In the end it all comes down to wether or not your giving the police a reason to pull you. If your bikes all legal then theres no problem & you have nothing to worry about. If it has non legal parts(like most of us do) then you cant moan if you get pulled for them. End of!

Unfortunately it's just one of the things that we have to put up with as bikers & if you give them a reason to pull you over then you only have yourself to blame.

[harriebird]

touch wood......the only contact i have had with Essex police while out on a bike was when me and phil went for a little Sunday ride just after he had got his SR125 and i had got my 748.

we had pulled over in a bus stop, and a traffic cop pulled in behind us.

we were both a bit nervous but knew we hadnt done anything wrong, so stayed sat on our bikes, lifted our visors and smiled lots.

He just wanted to know what the "little and large" show was all about and why the bird was on the 748 and the bloke was on the L plates.....turned out he rode a 900SS :grin2

off he went chuckling away to himself with a "ride safely and get home before the rain starts otherwise that 748 will melt"

:grin2 :grin2 :grin2

i can't be arsed with a non-standard plate for that very reason, it really doesnt bother me what it looks like. they might stop me for a black visor in the summer, but my GSXR can is standard (kind of!) and i like the sound of it so won't change it.

i'd hate to get pulled over for doing nothing wrong, but i accept it might happen. i try to ride carefully so as not to give bikers a bad name, and hope that when people see me they're not thinking bloody bikers they should ban the lot of them etc etc.

[The Guvnor]

I like little plates:grin2..and noisy cans:grin2 ..all i can say really:grin2

[stusgsx]

Did you get any points for numberplate??

my bike is gettin more illegal every month, you just have to be more carefull and look out for the plod in your mirrors. ive had them couple of cars behind me a few times and i know that they will tug me as my number plate is about the size of 2 fag boxes layed length ways! i just fade off into the distance.......................................... .........where he go?????

[harriebird]

a guy on www.ducatisti.co.uk (http://www.ducatisti.co.uk) got 3 points and a fine :(

[STEALTH52]

Did you get any points for numberplate??

my bike is gettin more illegal every month, you just have to be more carefull and look out for the plod in your mirrors. ive had them couple of cars behind me a few times and i know that they will tug me as my number plate is about the size of 2 fag boxes layed length ways! i just fade off into the distance.......................................... .........where he go?????

speaking of which i had a blue undercover car behind me today in cford, turned his lights and siren on, i shat myself cos had just nailed it up the road seconds before, slowed down & moved over.............................................. .



he roared off straight past me................ W****R!

[Becky B]

I didnt get any points or a fine just a little pink slip i gota get stamped by MOT place when i get the correct plate

[Lateshift]

he roared off straight past me................ W****R!



so why is he a ****er???

this thread gets better and better :D

society eh, slate the police when we get nicked for something that is our fault and then slate them even though we havent been pulled :D

Quality :D

[SDM]

so why is he a ****er???

this thread gets better and better :D

society eh, slate the police when we get nicked for something that is our fault and then slate them even though we havent been pulled :D

Quality :D

Yep.....Agreed :clap :clap

[Becky B]

I think the only good job they do with motorcyclist is when they're scrappin us up off the rd, thats the only time they are doing any thing useful lol

[Lateshift]

i suppose its just a touchy subject for me really, hell i am not even a copper (although i wouldnt mind being one and even admire the silly sods for doing a job that half this country wouldnt have the bottle to do let alone the common sense :D ).

but being from a public service background (if you can really call the military that) it gauls me that society has gone from a time when you respected the village bobby that would clip you round the ear for smashing a window (instead of him taking you home for your Dad to give you a kicking!), to a culture where they are thought of as scum :(

seriously if people dont want to live in a state that is policed, try living in Iraq or Bosnia, you soon find out that laws are put in place not to stop people enjoying themselves but to create order instead of chaos ;)

we arent a 3rd world country, we dont live too badly, there are worse places to be and i just think it a bit lame that we know there are officers on here and yet we still yap about them and in the process tar them with the same brush :(

rant over (if you want to cal it that :D)

[Becky B]

Well said. :-)

[The Guvnor]

I like small number plates:grin2

[Lateshift]

I like small boys:grin2

:eek: :eek: :eek:









:D

[The Guvnor]

lmfao.....:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 :clap

[Lateshift]

;)


anyway hard hats may now be returned to the anderson shelters :D

[Becky B]

Any ideas on where to get a number plate guys?

[MickyGixer]

For a standard number plate Becky you should be able to go to any bike dealership with your log book and get them to make you a standard plate up. :clap Some dealerships if they don't know you may also request another form of ID.:grin2 I take it the pink slip you have been issued is something along the lines of a 'VDRS'. :reading You may find if you have the bike serviced or MOT'd at a dealership they can make you a new plate up and stamp your pink slip at the same time and job done.:grin2 :grin2

[NitroDaze]

it gauls me that society has gone from a time when you respected the village bobby that would clip you round the ear for smashing a window (instead of him taking you home for your Dad to give you a kicking!), to a culture where they are thought of as scum :(
The society then and now has changed dramatically. With this change the police has lost its respectability as a result of a number of high profile failures. Mainly due to bad apples in the cart that has served to give the police a bad name. Sort of like what Dr Harold Shipman did for doctors. Another reason is due their unenvyable task of enforcing a huge amount of laws in a well informed modern society. Take the current Government for instance, it has introduced over 5000 new laws, more than the last 10 governments put together.
I read last year that some police forces were proposing not to enforce certain crimes of which burglary was one listed.
Hence they are prioritizing the crimes they enforce. To do so they have to be driven by arrest targets per month for each priority crimes in order to achieve the level of policing effect and presence desired by their political masters.
This will obviously result in a few innocent people being scrutinized, hence rubbed the wrong way. Unfortunately this is the reality of policing in this day and age.

[kasandrich]

Well, at least I do feel my criticism of the Police is qualified, as you say Lateshift most wouldn't do the job, I would, and I have, for those who are not aware I was a Special Constable some years ago. Not only did I do it, I did it for free.

Can't remember who made the point about insurance, I couldn't agree with you more. ....Hang them. That is what ANPR is for to pick those up.

Latey, as for your point about ANPR and needing a reason to stop people to check them, I disagree. ANPR is an automatic system that reads reg no's and automatically informs officers of violations. If an officer wants a check on a specific vehicle he only has to pick up the radio and request a PNC check then read out the reg number, this is entered into the PNC by the radio operator as quick as it is read out, they hit the enter key and have a response in a couple of seconds, they then inform the Officer of the Name and address of the registered keeper, the description of the vehicle, whether there are any reports of the vehicle being lost or stolen and whether there are any warning flags, such as no tax, no insurance, or no MOT. So in most cases they have done that before they pull you over, thats why the first two questions they ask you are, is this your vehicle? and what is your name?....and always in that order because they already know the name and address of the registered keeper.

I'm not advocating that bikes should be immune from all prosecution or major stuff like no insurance, I am just saying they could turn a blind eye to minor bits like cans, or minor stuff, one of my Sons was given a fixed penalty £60 and 3 points for riding through a pedestrianised area on a moped, he maintains to this day, that he stopped, knocked it into neutral and paddled it through, (which i know is technically illegal and classed as riding) the Police Officer, could not have possibly seen him commit the offence she claims he committed because of her position and the angles etc. She just saw him emerge and assumed he rode through. ........I am sure a little chat would have sufficed, he didn't need 3 points for that! ......still that particular Officer got her dues, she picked on my Mum in the town centre, and told her she couldn't get out of a Taxi in the High Street, Mum gave her "what for at the scene, (I think the Officer liked the bit where Mum told her about how she pays her wages the best) I wrote to the top nob at Braintree, and we got an appology of sorts back stating that there would be some "retraining" and they would make sure all Officers were aware!

My other Son has more recently had a telling off, and told to "take this as a warning" for something that even the Officer agreed he did not do, but the Officer "thought he was going to do!"

Its that stuff that causes lack of respect for the Police.

..................and when they can't send anOfficer out for 48 hours wen someone has been beaten up, but they can spare an Officer to go out with a speed gun doesn't help either!!

[2E]

In the end it all comes down to wether or not your giving the police a reason to pull you. If your bikes all legal then theres no problem & you have nothing to worry about. If it has non legal parts(like most of us do) then you cant moan if you get pulled for them. End of!

Unfortunately it's just one of the things that we have to put up with as bikers & if you give them a reason to pull you over then you only have yourself to blame.

Quite wrong... as my bikes FULLY legal and i still got pulled for... 'Riding in the centre of the lane and not positioned to let cars overtake me'

50mph.. and they would have to speed to overtake me anyway..

The way i see it... the plod think that all bikers are worth a tug.. if they can pull you.. get you for something they will... which is what they tried with me..;)

Nothing you can do really except say yes officer, sorry officer..:grin1

[Lateshift]

Kas you are still missing the point, not every traffic vehicle is fitted with ANPR, you say that an officer has to just radio in to get a vehicle check, thats all well and good but most traffic officers dont spend all day sitting on the radio sending messages with every plate they see on the off chance they can pull someone.

What i am saying is that if you are spotted doing something wrong one of the first things that happens is a radio request for an index check (if its not fitted with ANPR), this then arms them with the information they need.

The way you tell it is that all cars have ANPR, and all are capable of catching people without MOT, tax and insurance, this clearly isnt the case especially in Essex because thats why Essex Police have an ANPR Intercept team ;) (because not all traffic division vehicles have the kit).

And with regards to the stories about what happened to your Mum and so on, what can i say, i didnt for one minute say that they didnt have people amongst their ranks that take things too far, i didnt say they were all perfect, in fact i actually got charged with assault for hitting a copper that "seemingly" had 3 days off due to the injuries i gave him, it was a blatent lie as the officer was back on the street 19 hours later when i was released from the cells (the other 3 lads were still in hospital :D :D ).

i had to pay compensation for a blatent lie, the fact remains however that i shouldnt have been fighting ;)

[kasandrich]

No lateshift, at no point did I say that all cars have ANPR, (please feel free to quote me if I did) all I said was they do not even need to pull someone up to check for docs. They can do it on the radio. So they don't need a reason to pull you up to check if you are insured etc......you don't even need a car! you only need a radio, I've been there, I've done it. I think you may be surprised at how many PNC checks are done on Police radios.

[NitroDaze]

It is not surprising that most bikers take this common view that they are being victimized by the police. Essex police in my experience are notoriously the hardest when it comes to traffic offences. You are more likely to get a ticket from an Essex cop when pulled than anywhere else in the southeast of England. That is a fact!

Having illegal bits fitted to your bike just make it more certain that you would get booked. However, are we missing the point? Has the rate of traffic related crimes in Essex been reduced by this regime of zero tolerance for traffic offences?

There was once a time when all A roads into Essex use to be littered with abandoned stolen cars. Lately, they are becoming a rare sight. So there is progress of sorts. Maybe people are feeling the brunt of this zero tolerance regime because the softly softly bedside manner of the cops has been replaced by a salesman type drive to meet set arrest or traffic ticket issued targets.
Whatever the case might be, bikers are unhappy with the situation.

[stusgsx]

blimey there is far too much reading to do on this subject! i like loud exhausts

[STEALTH52]

Quite wrong... as my bikes FULLY legal and i still got pulled for... 'Riding in the centre of the lane and not positioned to let cars overtake me'

50mph.. and they would have to speed to overtake me anyway..

The way i see it... the plod think that all bikers are worth a tug.. if they can pull you.. get you for something they will... which is what they tried with me..;)

Nothing you can do really except say yes officer, sorry officer..:grin1

i was talking about the non legal items on bikes that give them a reason to pull you. in your case the officers involved were obviously complete & utter twats & shouldn't even be officers if they said that!! :grin2

[harriebird]

There was once a time when all A roads into Essex use to be littered with abandoned stolen cars. Lately, they are becoming a rare sight. So there is progress of sorts. Maybe people are feeling the brunt of this zero tolerance regime because the softly softly bedside manner of the cops has been replaced by a salesman type drive to meet set arrest or traffic ticket issued targets.
Whatever the case might be, bikers are unhappy with the situation.

that's nothing to do with the police, unless i am very wrong, it's the responsibility of the Highways Agency and they have got better powers now than they had before, they can remove a vehicle a lot quicker than they used to be able to :grin2

[Webby]

that's nothing to do with the police, unless i am very wrong, it's the responsibility of the Highways Agency and they have got better powers now than they had before, they can remove a vehicle a lot quicker than they used to be able to :grin2

Correct and the Local Councils.

Latey. I had no idea you were a knackered old **** like me. Coppers giving a clip round the ear? Taken home for Dad to give you a good thrashing? Bloody hell man! You're older than me.

Agree with most positive points in this thread. Don't like the knocking of the police officers. Right or wrong, their role in society has changed over the years. (And I'm not sure all of it is for the better).

Respect for the police has dropped. And, it is not just them. It is any authority figure. Time was, not that many years ago; You saw a kid riding on the pavement and an adult would tell him it was a FOOTPATH and to get off. Police would nick you for riding without lights on a pushbike. Not now.

Having watched with interest the Senior Police Officer in a certain London borough decide to turn a blind eye to the use of canabis I confirmed in my head what I have been seeing steadily creep in. Police Ofgficers deciding for themselves which laws to apply. NOW FORGIVE ME IF i'M WRONG, BUT i DIDN'T THINK THEY HAD THAT RIGHT?

As far as I believe they are their to apply the laws of the land regardless of personal opinion or targets etc.

Some argue that this is not their fault. Targets, Govt pressure etc. Rollocks! Just do the job you are paid for by the people who see yuour actions every day. THE GREAT BRITISH PUBLIC and you will start to wearn back the repect you have lost over the years.

Many will object. Policing is too harsh. They are picking on me.

GET A LIFE! Don't break the law and they'll leave you in peace.

Back to the thread.

Got small, illegally spaced number plate? Can race use only? Even running slicks? Tough! Hope you get nicked for all. A responsible biker anjoys biking for what it is; sheer pleasure. Buck the system/laws and you give all responsible bikers a bad name.


This trend seems to me to have started when bikers started to get "Chavvy" to use the modern terminology. Maybe if you are reading this and getting wound up you should give up biking and get a Vauxhall Nova.

[STEALTH52]

[QUOTE=Webby;101484]

Got small, illegally spaced number plate? Can race use only? Even running slicks? Tough! Hope you get nicked for all. A responsible biker anjoys biking for what it is; sheer pleasure. Buck the system/laws and you give all responsible bikers a bad name.


QUOTE]

Bit harsh that mate, yeah people change thier plates, exhausts etc to non legal items, i have & i bet any money theres a hell of alot of people on here that have, but that doesn't mean that i & other bikers are instantly giving bikers a bad reputation & deserve to be nicked (unless your taking the complete & utter ****.) what gives bikers (us) a bad name is not having a race can fitted it's the small minority that have to ride thier bikes like a complete ***** in built up areas & have no consideration for other road users. i have no objections to the police doing thier jobs & keeping the idiots off the streets it's when they pull you over for no reason whatsover apart from the fact that thier bored that F***s me off, when they could be stopping the chavs in thier boy racer motors from tearing through the streets. if you've attracted attention to yourself then fairplay expect a pull. just dont cry about it after at the end of the day.

I hardly think that having a different can or plate puts you in the "chav" category.

[Becky B]

Talkin about being chavie theres alot of em on bikes round chelmsford town, one of them inparticular them who likes to wheelie his R6 up duke st, unfortunatley for him tonight wasnt his nite he ended up crashing and the police have been their for hours measuring and stuff with the bike as it was. Wheelies are cool but not worth dying for

[Webby]

Bit harsh that mate, yeah people change their plates, exhausts etc to non legal items, i have & i bet any money there's a hell of a lot of people on here that have, but that doesn't mean that i & other bikers are instantly giving bikers a bad reputation & deserve to be nicked (unless your taking the complete & utter ****.) No. If I was taking the P you would most certainly know. You have said it all ILLEGAL!

what gives bikers (us) a bad name is not having a race can fitted it's the small minority that have to ride thier bikes like a complete ***** in built up areas & have no consideration for other road users.

Agreed.

i have no objections to the police doing thier jobs & keeping the idiots off the streets it's when they pull you over for no reason whatsover apart from the fact that thier bored that F***s me off, when they could be stopping the chavs in thier boy racer motors from tearing through the streets. if you've attracted attention to yourself then fairplay expect a pull. just dont cry about it after at the end of the day.

30 + years driving/riding and been stopped only once and then only to enquire about the vehicle I was in and it's specs.

I hardly think that having a different can or plate puts you in the "chav" category.[/quote]

Not exactly what I meant but not too far off.

I have ridden on road/track (competitively) Driven road/track (again competitively) passed virtually every test there is road/air and am still amazed that for a relatively small biking community on here that so many have accidents/fall foul of the law.

I'm close to 50 and have been arrested once in my life so far. (Theft) but later disproved and released with no charge and mucho apologies from the very polite officers whom had a job to do based on what they had been told at the time.

I live next door to a traffic cop (bikes) have previously served country, done things many (except perhaps latey) would find unusual and was once a bike instructor.

Used to spanner for one of the current British Superbike hopefuls and have spannered for a leading formula 5000 team.

I feel qualified to make such comments in an open forum and if you don't like it tough.

Simply. Don't break the law. And if you do. Stop whingeing!

[STEALTH52]

with the comments about taking the ****, i didnt mean you i meant if you change your plate fine, but take the **** too much and go to small for example then don't complain if you get a tug.




feel free to make your comments mate all i was saying is that a couple of things you said was a bit harsh, that was all. all i meant was that if you run a non legal can for instance, that doesn't mean that you instantly deserve to get nicked.

[Lateshift]

If its against the law you might not think you deserved to get nicked, but law is law, you wouldnt take the bike knowingly to get an MOT with a can on it that says "Not for road use" because (unless you take it to the right testing station ;) ) its going to fail, why? not because the tester is an arsehole, but because that is the law ;)

Again whilst most of us disagree with some of the minor laws that are imposed upon us, they are still in place and "can" be enforced.

If you know something is illegal on your bike like a can or a number plate then that is entirely down to you, but dont think for one minute that you dont deserve to get fined for it, you deserve it because you take the chance itself, if you are capable of twisting a throttle then you are surely capable of understanding wrong from right :)

Again i have a smaller number plate, i have open cans on my bike too and if i get pulled for either of them, i am hoping it is down to them and not because i have been riding like a twat at the time, if i was i wouldnt expect anything less than them throwing the book at me, anything better than that is leniency that i would be grateful for.

[STEALTH52]

If its against the law you might not think you deserved to get nicked, but law is law, you wouldnt take the bike knowingly to get an MOT with a can on it that says "Not for road use" because (unless you take it to the right testing station ;) ) its going to fail, why? not because the tester is an arsehole, but because that is the law ;)

Again whilst most of us disagree with some of the minor laws that are imposed upon us, they are still in place and "can" be enforced.

If you know something is illegal on your bike like a can or a number plate then that is entirely down to you, but dont think for one minute that you dont deserve to get fined for it, you deserve it because you take the chance itself, if you are capable of twisting a throttle then you are surely capable of understanding wrong from right :)

Again i have a smaller number plate, i have open cans on my bike too and if i get pulled for either of them, i am hoping it is down to them and not because i have been riding like a twat at the time, if i was i wouldnt expect anything less than them throwing the book at me, anything better than that is leniency that i would be grateful for.



thats exactly the point i was trying to make, if you get pulled then dont winge about it but as i said having race cans etc doesnt make you give bikers a bad name, riding like a twat does!

[The Guvnor]

Got small, illegally spaced number plate? Can race use only? Even running slicks? Tough! Hope you get nicked for all. A responsible biker anjoys biking for what it is; sheer pleasure. Buck the system/laws and you give all responsible bikers a bad name.


This trend seems to me to have started when bikers started to get "Chavvy" to use the modern terminology. Maybe if you are reading this and getting wound up you should give up biking and get a Vauxhall Nova.


Im forty years old, Ive been riding for ten years, I was a courier for two years, I am currently training to be a riding instructor and also have a clean licence. I have a small plate and race exhaust, Pazzo levers and a dark visor. Because of this I am giving responsible bikers a bad name !!!!
Yes I am reading your post and getting wound up. Simply because you are insulting a lot of responsible bikers. Including me !

Just because you have a lot of riding experience it doesnt give you the right to insult every biker that has a race can or small plate

Maybe you posted it to deliberatly wind people up ? Well done if that is the case, its worked for me !

Or maybe you actually believe that because you have no 'illegal' mods on your bike you are better than everyone that has ? If thats the case, get your head out of your arse and smell the coffee !

Im not a kid ! And the bottom line is if someone decides to use a race can or illegal plate (I have both! ) then there is a possibility you will get tugged. Everyone will moan about it because its human nature wether they deserved it or not. But because I chose to add these items to my bike it does not make me irresponsible biker !!!!!!!

You dont know me, you have never ridden with me. I dont care how 'qualified you seem to think you are.........it does not give you the right to claim you are more responsible than me !!!!

Rant over.

[STEALTH52]

Im forty years old, Ive been riding for ten years, I was a courier for two years, I am currently training to be a riding instructor and also have a clean licence. I have a small plate and race exhaust, Pazzo levers and a dark visor. Because of this I am giving responsible bikers a bad name !!!!
Yes I am reading your post and getting wound up. Simply because you are insulting a lot of responsible bikers. Including me !

Just because you have a lot of riding experience it doesnt give you the right to insult every biker that has a race can or small plate

Maybe you posted it to deliberatly wind people up ? Well done if that is the case, its worked for me !

Or maybe you actually believe that because you have no 'illegal' mods on your bike you are better than everyone that has ? If thats the case, get your head out of your arse and smell the coffee !

Im not a kid ! And the bottom line is if someone decides to use a race can or illegal plate (I have both! ) then there is a possibility you will get tugged. Everyone will moan about it because its human nature wether they deserved it or not. But because I chose to add these items to my bike it does not make me irresponsible biker !!!!!!!

You dont know me, you have never ridden with me. I dont care how 'qualified you seem to think you are.........it does not give you the right to claim you are more responsible than me !!!!

Rant over.


HERE HERE!
THANKS GUV!

[The Guvnor]

Agree with most positive points in this thread. Don't like the knocking of the police officers. Right or wrong, their role in society has changed over the years. (And I'm not sure all of it is for the better).

Respect for the police has dropped. And, it is not just them. It is any authority figure. Time was, not that many years ago; You saw a kid riding on the pavement and an adult would tell him it was a FOOTPATH and to get off. Police would nick you for riding without lights on a pushbike. Not now.

Having watched with interest the Senior Police Officer in a certain London borough decide to turn a blind eye to the use of canabis I confirmed in my head what I have been seeing steadily creep in. Police Ofgficers deciding for themselves which laws to apply. NOW FORGIVE ME IF i'M WRONG, BUT i DIDN'T THINK THEY HAD THAT RIGHT?

As far as I believe they are their to apply the laws of the land regardless of personal opinion or targets etc.



Erm ..........hello !:grin2

[STEALTH52]

wish you had of posted when this thread started guv! the bloke seems a bit up his own if you ask me! especially the bit about giving bikers a bad name by having a race can, what the ****? was really starting to **** me off.

[SDM]

I am forty something years old and have been riding on and off since I was 16 (see pics section....Misc...Ers 'n' olden) I would like to think I am a responsible rider, try not to break to many traffic laws :grin2 , but I like small number plates, and race cans, if I get stopped then so be it.

The police have a job to do. Some get it right, and some don't, some have a chat about it, and some just knick you.

I just hope that when I get pulled I get PC Nicely :clap

[NitroDaze]

Unfortunately, webby has not put his point forward well. In the wider scheme of traffic offences, mods to bike which are not dangerous but illegal is small potatoes to bikers who wheelie down residential streets etc. Hence, it is quite unreasonable to class bikers who modify their bike as "those that give bikers a bad name". I say this though l do not have any mods on my bike (Like my standard 2005 R1 as it is, hence do not have the need).
Most bikers that ride into london fit loud cans to protect themselves from lane jumpers that cause 80% of bike accidents each year. I am certain that those cans are illegal but in this instance a neccessary defence against being a casualty of careless car drivers. Hence, Webby needs to put things in perspective. The sort he intends to refer to are those that go out of their way to be dangerous or a nuisance to the public. These lot are the ones that give bikers a bad name. Innocent mods that are not dangerous or a nuisance, though illegal, are not of such criminal wrong to warrant strong condemnation.
That is not to say that if you have mods and you are stopped by the police you should not be booked. If you have illegal mods, you take a risk of attracting the attention of the police, and would be unlucky if you are booked accordingly.

[Lateshift]

Everyone has a right to an opinion, we can disagree all we like about it, however it is his right to think like that and also to post it ;)

Quickshift, you are new round here, Webby has been here a bit longer under a different username please dont start jumping to conclusions about things because it just serves to inflame things, please everyone keep the thread civil that way i dont have to delete the thread because its wandered off into a slagging match ;)

[The Guvnor]

Dont wanna argue or fall out with anyone, ive said my bit and now ive chilled :grin2 lets all feel the love again:love3 im off to take the baffles out of my can :laugh1

[Lateshift]

feel your own love, i'm not! :eek: :D

[NitroDaze]

that's nothing to do with the police, unless i am very wrong, it's the responsibility of the Highways Agency and they have got better powers now than they had before, they can remove a vehicle a lot quicker than they used to be able to :grin2
Goes to show how much l know about these things eh! You are quite right.

[STEALTH52]

Everyone has a right to an opinion, we can disagree all we like about it, however it is his right to think like that and also to post it ;)

Quickshift, you are new round here, Webby has been here a bit longer under a different username please dont start jumping to conclusions about things because it just serves to inflame things, please everyone keep the thread civil that way i dont have to delete the thread because its wandered off into a slagging match ;)

doesn't really matter if webby has been here longer than me, i've made my point & Im fine, it just really wound me up, ive said my bit & im done.

p.s guvnor i've taken mine out already!!! lol

[stusgsx]

I so cant wait to get my scorpion on!!! WOOOOOOHOOOOO!! THAT BAFFEL IS COMIN STRAIGHT OUT!!

when its safe to do so and on private property..............cough, cough

[NitroDaze]

I so cant wait to get my scorpion on!!! WOOOOOOHOOOOO!! THAT BAFFEL IS COMIN STRAIGHT OUT!!

when its safe to do so and on private property..............cough, cough
Have fun matey. If u can record the sound, l would love to hear it.

[Webby]

And I'm fine too. Comments made here are opinions. Yes, I do tend to rant and don't always get my point across how I mean. Product of rubbish education and not many brains in the old skull.

It got you all talking, shouting and so on so it can't be a bad thing can it? A forum is supposed to be where we can all express our opinions.

You have all put your opinions across and I value that. Quite a few I agree with in part.

No offence intended to anyone personally and none taken. I'm old enough and ugly enough to take criticism of me and my views.

[STEALTH52]

cool, i apologise for anything taken the wrong way as well;)

[kasandrich]

I think that this thread has drifted off course a bit.

The point as I see it, is, if you are speeding in a posted limit, you deserve to be nicked, if you are wheelying or similar in built up areas you get whats coming to you, if you have no insurance or are drink driving, I would report my own family for either of those offences.

If you have a an illegal can or number plate you take a chance at getting nicked, but that chance should be no greater than a car committing the same offence and as I believe it, currently a biker is targetted for such things where cars swan about with illegal exhausts, plates, even stereos that are louder than the cans that bikers are getting nicked for. This is my beef, it amounts to discrimination. They actually send cars out onto known bike runs specifically targeting cans and plates on bikes, this is discrimination, bikers are a target, just 'cos they are bikers.

I can't remember who said the bit about Officers applying the laws they want to, that is what the Police call exercising their discretion;) its been going on for a long time, I just wish that sometimes it were exercised in bikers favour.

[NitroDaze]

And I'm fine too. Comments made here are opinions. Yes, I do tend to rant and don't always get my point across how I mean. Product of rubbish education and not many brains in the old skull.

It got you all talking, shouting and so on so it can't be a bad thing can it? A forum is supposed to be where we can all express our opinions.

You have all put your opinions across and I value that. Quite a few I agree with in part.

No offence intended to anyone personally and none taken. I'm old enough and ugly enough to take criticism of me and my views.
Webby has put the point so well here. We are all on the same side. More importantly, this is a forum for the expression of opinions, regardless. The idea is to learn something from it. And Kasandrich summarizes the discussion perfectly. I think we are all clear on the issue at this point.