Police... yep this one again!

[stusgsx]

gotta get this off my chest. I got pulled over on the way to BP yesterday, they chased after me because of my small plate. Fair enough they obviously had nothin better to do and yeah my plate is illegal so got my £30 fine. Copper got back in the car to do insurance checks etc but then the bad copper gets out and starts about my exhaust! he said youve put a different exhaust on, i said no I have one on the way but havent got it yet! then he says well wheres the EU mark , i had a look and it dont have one so i said Fcuk knows! he just wouldnt let it rest and it really ****ed me off!! Oh and they said if im cought with number plate again then the DVLA will revoke my reg number and i will have to put a Q-plate on my bike! is that true?

[Gixxer-TeZ]

Oh and they said if im cought with number plate again then the DVLA will revoke my reg number and i will have to put a Q-plate on my bike! is that true?


Thats a load of bull because DVLA don't issue Q plates like they used to.
Originally, Q plates were reserved for some imports, stolen/recovered, custom builds like kit cars and trikes etc and a few other weird notions.
The DVLA now use standard plates for imports, most stolen/recovered and about half the custom builds they used to, which is why you don't see as many Q plates as you did a few years back.

The only power the police have over number plates is the £30 fine and a rectification notice. If you fail the rectification you can get a summond although I'm not sure of thats the police serving that or they just report you and DVLA send it, but they definetly don't issue you a Q plate.

On this note, did you know you only get a £30 fine for no plate at all but they don't normally issue a rectification notice as well ??

[kasandrich]

There is a Scooby runs around Braintree with a front number plate as smal as I've seen on any bike......bet he doesn't get any grief, and theres plenty of boy racers in Saxo's with bucket sized straight through exhausts!

What a load of crap about your exhaust! they hadn't got a clue, they were guessing or they would know what can was std on your bike. The onus is on them to prove your exhaust is ilegal, not you to prove its is legal.

[Becky B]

I didnt get a fine when i got stopped for my number plate just a pink slip which had to be stamped by a MOT place when i got it changed. :laugh1

[Gixxer-TeZ]

I didnt get a fine when i got stopped for my number plate just a pink slip which had to be stamped by a MOT place when i got it changed. :laugh1


Thats basically a recy notice. The fine depends on who you get pulled by and what mood they are in I suppose.
My can and plate is ok but defo illigal ( sticking to the red tape ) and I've been tugged a few times and only ever been asked to watch my speed. They have never really question anything on the bike.
Luck of the draw I suppose.

[Becky B]

im just going to leave my legal plate on its to much hassle getting pulled for silly stuff:jumping2 :jumping2 :jumping2

[MickyGixer]

I have complete sympathy with you with regards to the exhaust situation. :grin2 The officer obviously doesnt have a clue. However, the debate about plates is opened again. The simple fact is there is a law in place. If you know your plate is illegal then everytime you ride you leave yourself open for being pulled by some numpty and being hassled:reading . If the officer had been more polite to you and simply advised you to get the plate changed asap would you have complied?
If he let you walk away without a VDRS (vehicle defect rectification scheme) notice or ticket, would you really have made the effort to do anything about it? Or like 98 % of other users who have been allowed to walk away balance up the probability of coming across that officer again and taking the risk?
:grin2

[NitroDaze]

I think you will notice it is only Essex police doing this. You would probably not get any such hassle anywhere else in the southeast of England. It don't happen much in Surrey, Kent or even london.

[richy rich]

i see loads of plates around here that are to small to read untill you are up their backend.... when i amate of mine bought his 50cc bike it came with a numberplate that was what id say to small 'cus i could never read it but the olny times we got pulled over was for some idiots riding round the town centre and they had the same colour bikes as us and for insurance checks

[gixer400]

I think you will notice it is only Essex police doing this. You would probably not get any such hassle anywhere else in the southeast of England. It don't happen much in Surrey, Kent or even london.

Essex police are hot on this, but it does happen elsewhere.

Ive been pulled in both cambrideshire and lincolnshire and both have commented on my small plate and given a 7 day notice.

I now prefer to wear a 'big' plate. gives them 1 less thing to moan about!!

But most of the time if you ride safely, they wont bother you for just a small plate.

[Lateshift]

I think you will notice it is only Essex police doing this. You would probably not get any such hassle anywhere else in the southeast of England. It don't happen much in Surrey, Kent or even london.

I agree, i think it is purely based on Essex Police trying to maintain their targets especially where Bikes are concerned unfortunately.

Everyday that i filter in and out of London i pass Police cars, even bikes, most of the time filtering amongst them, Jules has a smaller plate on the back of her 400, never been pulled for it once, in fact i was sat behind a Police car when the exhaust can had snapped off at the "flange" (god i love that word! :D ), sounding like a full on GP bike i managed to stay behind them doing the "i dont look suspicious right!" thing and had no problems :D

Luck of the draw i reckon but i happen to think that some of it comes down to the type of bike you are riding too :)

[stusgsx]

i thought they mite be bull ****ting me about dvla, ****ers. I will continue riding with small plate. They say its because if your bike gets nicked they wont be able to read the plate cos its too small so wont know its stolen! wot a load of ****! They aint going to see it in the back of a van anyway! or if it is being riden i dont think they will be riding slowly!

come on coppers, come and get me ive still got a small numberplate! Quick you better come and catch me my exhaust looks suspicious too!! Quick ive just raided a bank and run over 2 children too! course wouldnt of happened if i didnt have a tinted visor on, then i would of been able to see a lot more with the sun glare in my eyes!

Im ok now........

[Lateshift]

mate, its old news, bikers have got a rough end of the stick for years, thats our rap unfortunately, get over it! ;)

meanwhile back on Waltons mountain can we try to keep this site from descending into just a whinge blog about Essex constabulary :D

[NitroDaze]

i thought they mite be bull ****ting me about dvla, ****ers. I will continue riding with small plate. They say its because if your bike gets nicked they wont be able to read the plate cos its too small so wont know its stolen! wot a load of ****! They aint going to see it in the back of a van anyway! or if it is being riden i dont think they will be riding slowly!

come on coppers, come and get me ive still got a small numberplate! Quick you better come and catch me my exhaust looks suspicious too!! Quick ive just raided a bank and run over 2 children too! course wouldnt of happened if i didnt have a tinted visor on, then i would of been able to see a lot more with the sun glare in my eyes!

Im ok now........
Blimey! Stusgsx, they really ticked you off this time:grin2 :grin2 :grin2

[stusgsx]

im ok now, this whole group therapy works a treat!

[Lateshift]

i am all for group therapy as long as it doesnt involve man love :D

[stusgsx]

ahhh come over here and give me a hug! come on everyone, group hug!

[kasandrich]

I must admit I run a 100% legal plate and I've not been stopped once, whether the 2 things are related ......who knows?

[The Guvnor]

I must admit I run a 100% legal plate and I've not been stopped once, whether the 2 things are related ......who knows?

Think your halo might have slipped !:laugh1 :laugh1

[SDM]

I have a small number plate, but I've only got one because everybody else has, http://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gifhttp://www.gixerjunkies.net/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gif

[Lateshift]

I have to say that i know very few people that do actually use a standard size plate, although most of those that i know tend to use one that doesnt take the wee wee and stand out like a sore thumb :D

Single line number plates attract the attention of those that want to look for other stuff normally, as much as i like the cleaner look of a tiny single line plate, i just couldnt be doing with riding and having to wonder about whether i will get pulled everytime i go past a Police car.

Each to their own really, the only thing that does wind me up is when an Officer, having pulled you over, automatically assumes that you dont know your rights (unfortunately not everyone does) or assumes that you wont challenge their sometimes obvious lack of knowledge regarding what is actually legal these days on a motorbike.

Exhaust do not require E Marks on them anymore.



The other petrol head in our office that rides a new ZX10R sticks to using a standard plate, however he had his mounted on the undertray near to the rear shock, when i looked at it, i thought its an instant pull seeing as its not hanging from the undertray its actually fitted to it flat! :D

However he hasnt had any problems with it at all, in fact he did get pulled over (and told to calm his acceleration down, keeping with the flow of traffic is fine he was told but you dont need to be doing 0-60 in 2 seconds each time you pull away :D ), anyway the Officer told him that the plate was standard size and it would be a hard argument to state that mounting it there was illegal, however he did point out that it could depend on who pulls him over as to how long he would be at the roadside arguing it ;)

[SDM]

The other petrol head in our office that rides a new ZX10R sticks to using a standard plate, however he had his mounted on the undertray near to the rear shock, when i looked at it, i thought its an instant pull seeing as its not hanging from the undertray its actually fitted to it flat! :D

That is LEGAL, I have seen quite a few bikes like that in my travels, the other year at the NEC there was a Bandit 1200 Streetfighter on the Suzuki stand supplied by BanditMania, and it had the Standard number plate fitted in the same place...............

I asked the question about it, and was told, that as long as it has a number plate light fitted and a small red reflector its LEGAL

[Lateshift]

I think the point is though Kev, that you cant actually read the plate properly once he is sat on the bike (6'4 and 17st :D )

[SDM]

OH..................we are back on the size issue again then............:laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 :grin2

[Lateshift]

Or the "easily readable" one ;) :D

Nothing wrong with a debate about size though :D

[SDM]

Regarding the debate issue...........if they was enough of us debating would that be construed as a mass debate :grin2

[Lateshift]

of quite sizeable proportions too :D

[robamat]

good to see that there is no crime in essex again this year,we're an easy nick for the plod,always have been always will be

[Keir_K3]

or look at it the other way.... if people stopped committing silly little crimes the police would have more time to deal with the big ones.
it works both ways.

I have a small ish single line plate/ race can / etc etc and if/when i get pulled i hold my hands up, know im in the wrong and pay my fine. I know its illegal but i took the chance. Why some people get on there high horse about it i'll never know.

[harriebird]

:clap

[The Guvnor]

or look at it the other way.... if people stopped committing silly little crimes the police would have more time to deal with the big ones.
it works both ways.

I have a small ish single line plate/ race can / etc etc and if/when i get pulled i hold my hands up, know im in the wrong and pay my fine. I know its illegal but i took the chance. Why some people get on there high horse about it i'll never know.

:clap :clap

[stusgsx]

or look at it the other way.... if people stopped committing silly little crimes the police would have more time to deal with the big ones.
it works both ways.

I have a small ish single line plate/ race can / etc etc and if/when i get pulled i hold my hands up, know im in the wrong and pay my fine. I know its illegal but i took the chance. Why some people get on there high horse about it i'll never know.

I accepted the fine straight away and even said to the copper that i expected it sooner or later, i didnt come on here to moan about that. Im moaning because of the way the second copper spoke to me like a piece of ****e telling me that my STANDARD exhaust was illegal! THAT is what really tipped me over the edge!

[Lateshift]

Admittedly it would get my back up to when spoken to like a muppet, but its just unfortunate that some Officers forget that manners cost nothing and that a uniform is not there to give them a right to patronise people.

I once got spoken to a little less cordially than i would have normally liked by an Officer who appeared to have a rather large country sized chip on his rather small shoulders, i simply pointed out that the uniform gave him the right to uphold the law, and not to make it up as he went along.

But being 14 at the time he didnt appreciate that either and took my home to my parents who immediately asked him if he had given me a good clip round the ear for being so cheeky, to which he replied of course :D

I also got a good clip round the back of the swede once by another when he asked me if my feet actually filled the quite pointed shoes i was wearing at the time, quite why asking him if his head went to the top of his helmet warranted a clout i dont know but i am none the worse for wear :D

eeeee them were the days :D :D

[Neil675]

I also got a good clip round the back of the swede once by another when he asked me if my feet actually filled the quite pointed shoes i was wearing at the time, quite why asking him if his head went to the top of his helmet warranted a clout i dont know but i am none the worse for wear :D

You mean they don't go all the way to the top of those hats? Oh. I'll Have to tick that one off the 'now I don't need to ask list' :grin2 :grin2 :grin2

[2E]

To be fair, i support the police for the illegal numberplates and exhausts etc.. i mean some of these things really do just take the p!ss.:grin1

I mean ive seen numberplates so small i can barely read them and i was sitting behind the guy in a que of traffic...:shooter

And others with the whole fancy writing, where B looks like 8 etc...:shooter

I Don't understand it myself, perhaps somebody can explain the whole point of titchy numberplates, i know regular size number plates are mahoosive and sail-like, but they are like that so they can be read easily...not because they want to slow you down by attaching a huge lump of plastic to the back of your bike..:reading

Exhausts are also baffled for a reason, there is a maximum noise level, and it was introduced for a reason,the same reason your not allowed to use your horn (unless in emergency) between the hours of 11Pm and 7Am (?) if you decide you like your exhaust to sound like its going to start eating the road then thats your choice, but i for one do not see why other road users have to suffer because you think your exhaust sounds good making a huge racket..:grin3 I really dont think the whole 'commuting through london so need to be heard' excuse works for this either tbh... Wear dayglo jackets.. and beep your horn if you have to, you dont need a stupidly loud exhaust at all...

Doing your bike up with Race parts means its for Racing, not for the road... if you decide to use a race-exhaust, race tires, etc etc on the road and you do get caught, then dont complain about it, you shouldnt of been using it... you chose to use it...and you deserve to get fined for it.. end of story.:laugh2

This isnt a personal dig at anyone, just my view on it, to be honest i dont like Race Replica/Racing/Supersport bikes as i think they have all been ruined by the whole 'Racing-on-the-road' craze...Give me a good tourer anyday over one of those... Yes they are fast, yes they DO look nice, and yes they no doubt are good bikes, but really... your no different from the rest of them.. i like unusual bikes, you turn up on your R1's, R6's, Gixxers, And Mille's, whereas myself, would much rather turn up on a Unique Fazer, Bandit, or A Honda Pan-European/Goldwing:grin2 At most, a sports tourer would be the closest id probably come to a race bike... but if i could choose, i wouldnt choose supersport bikes or sports tourer..(Bet your all going to wonder what bike i get for my first big bike now:D)

Everyone to their own i suppose.. but theres my two pence on it.:grin1

[Webby]

Flip Me. I agree with a lot of what the youngster says! Never thought that would happen, bearing in mind I have 4 teenagers.:rockon:clap

I travel in to London most days and use a standard bike for the commute, exhausts and the rest. Never a problem. I see loads of bikes getting pulled at the lights on Tower Bridge. I've seen standard bikes pulled, wondered why then noticed the kid on pillion that can't touch the pegs.

Never have I seen a bike pulled that isn't modified in some small way except for the ones as described above.

Loud exhaust? Don't need one if you ride defensively.

[Lateshift]

Whilst i also cant disagree with a lot of what Tooey is saying, i can also state that i find it quite astounding that someone who has yet to pass a test can actually preach about what others do with motorbikes that they own, more importantly for someone who is preaching that this and that is illegal, i find it quite ironic that not so long ago he was on here openly trying to commit insurance fraud :D

No disrespect to anyone that disagrees with loud cans and small number plates, but every rider that chooses to use them does so at their own risk and must pay the consequences if they get pulled, i certainly havent been pulled for my loud ones nor my slightly smaller number plate, but i do claim that having a slightly louder can has saved my life on a couple of occassions.

The fact is a lot of it is down to individuality, choice and just as Tooey likes to ride on his Rickman faired 'still capable of breaking a speed limit' (just) antique i like to ride a sports bike, if i wanted or liked a relic from Heartbeat i would buy one, but i certainly wouldnt go slating sports bike riders on a forum that seems to be fairly top heavy with people who have and ride them :D

Fair play to you Tooey, industrial size kahunas or an astonishingly old head on your shoulders for that post, but the jury is out as to how many people will agree with you unless you can quite categorically state you have never knowingly broken the law in your life ;)

People have choice in this country, the right to be an individual, this means that they also have the right to flout regulations, break laws, what matters is whether or not you stand up and take your punishment for using (or abusing as the case may be) that choice without whining about it, i know i can, which is why i am quite happy with my bike the way it is :)

However you werent riding a modified bike when the Police pulled you, they stopped you probably to see what was actually powering it due to not being able to see any steam ;) :D

[Webby]

:D

No disrespect to anyone that disagrees with loud cans and small number plates, but every rider that chooses to use them does so at their own risk and must pay the consequences if they get pulled, i certainly havent been pulled for my loud ones nor my slightly smaller number plate, but i do claim that having a slightly louder can has saved my life on a couple of occassions.

Fair play. And never would I say don't. As you point out. Personal choice.

The fact is a lot of it is down to individuality, choice and just as Tooey likes to ride on his Rickman faired 'still capable of breaking a speed limit' (just) antique i like to ride a sports bike, if i wanted or liked a relic from Heartbeat i would buy one, but i certainly wouldnt go slating sports bike riders on a forum that seems to be fairly top heavy with people who have and ride them :D

His opinion. Don't think he was slating sports bike riders as such. I may not have read and understood properly. Think he was simply expressing his personal choice

Fair play to you Tooey, industrial size kahunas or an astonishingly old head on your shoulders for that post, but the jury is out as to how many people will agree with you unless you can quite categorically state you have never knowingly broken the law in your life ;)

I hope he never does


People have choice in this country, the right to be an individual, this means that they also have the right to flout regulations, break laws, what matters is whether or not you stand up and take your punishment for using (or abusing as the case may be) that choice without whining about it, i know i can, which is why i am quite happy with my bike the way it is :)

Excellent opinion. Course they can choose

However you weren't riding a modified bike when the Police pulled you, they stopped you probably to see what was actually powering it due to not being able to see any steam ;) :D

Completely cracked me up. On top form as usual.:clap Tooey, don't take offense with this or any other comments Latey has made here M8. Good differering views and just like you, perfectly reasonable to state them

[richy rich]

i must admit having a louder bike does mean that cars see you(or hear you) earlier.... my exhaust has always been loud(for a 50cc lolol) because the baffles were taken out, a screw fell out the end can and the end piece of the can is quite big for a 50cc can its probly 2-2.5inch wide... but when filtering i actually saw people looking in their mirrors well before i went past them because they had heard me and the occasional few turned away a little to let me through..... and if having a loud exhaust means that cars will know im there straight away then i'd much rather have a loud exhaust

[2E]

Whilst i also cant disagree with a lot of what Tooey is saying, i can also state that i find it quite astounding that someone who has yet to pass a test can actually preach about what others do with motorbikes that they own, more importantly for someone who is preaching that this and that is illegal, i find it quite ironic that not so long ago he was on here openly trying to commit insurance fraud :D

Im not preaching anything, im just telling it the way it is. As for the insurance fraud, i have my story stuck, so they can try that if they wish.


No disrespect to anyone that disagrees with loud cans and small number plates, but every rider that chooses to use them does so at their own risk and must pay the consequences if they get pulled, i certainly havent been pulled for my loud ones nor my slightly smaller number plate, but i do claim that having a slightly louder can has saved my life on a couple of occassions.

Airbags also save your life on a few occasions, but amazingly.. i dont see you rushing to fit these to your bikes...:grin1


The fact is a lot of it is down to individuality, choice and just as Tooey likes to ride on his Rickman faired 'still capable of breaking a speed limit' (just) antique i like to ride a sports bike, if i wanted or liked a relic from Heartbeat i would buy one, but i certainly wouldnt go slating sports bike riders on a forum that seems to be fairly top heavy with people who have and ride them :D

Ok theres no need to turn the post into a personal thing about my good old heartbeat relic, funny thing is, my heartbeat relic will last longer than your bike, and you know it.:laugh1


Fair play to you Tooey, industrial size kahunas or an astonishingly old head on your shoulders for that post, but the jury is out as to how many people will agree with you unless you can quite categorically state you have never knowingly broken the law in your life ;)

In regards to Bike/road laws.. No i dont believe i have.


(National Anthem Plays In Background)

People have choice in this country, the right to be an individual, this means that they also have the right to flout regulations, break laws, what matters is whether or not you stand up and take your punishment for using (or abusing as the case may be) that choice without whining about it, i know i can, which is why i am quite happy with my bike the way it is :)

(Music stops suddenly)

However you werent riding a modified bike when the Police pulled you, they stopped you probably to see what was actually powering it due to not being able to see any steam ;) :D

Correct, they couldn't see the steam through the smoke from your bike...:laugh1

[Webby]

Sorry :shooterToeey. Bit out of order that one. Even thicko me would expect to get caned for that last post. As I have been (deservedly so) when I've posted something without thinking first.

[2E]

Sorry :shooterToeey. Bit out of order that one. Even thicko me would expect to get caned for that last post. As I have been (deservedly so) when I've posted something without thinking first.

what part??? :D :laugh1

[stusgsx]

F*^K me you lot have completley lost me!

[Lateshift]

Tooey i cant even be bothered to actually respond to your ramblings in detail suffice to say that when you have passed your test, progressed and then actually experienced a bit of real riding life then i may take onboard what you have to say.

But when my £9000 bike breaks down and is covered by a warranty or when i look out the window at a thing of beauty instead of looking out hoping that someone nicked it i feel quite smug about it, you took offence to something that i posted in a light hearted manner, something i posted in defence of you openly slating sports bike riders on a site that is inhabited by them, what did you expect a warm welcome? :D

You made your point, it was probably taken onboard as an opinion, i certainly read it, made what i wanted of it and then moved on, i suggest you do the same unless you want to get into some proper debate, but to tell me that you have never broken the law on the road whatsoever i will call you a liar, i am betting i could follow you and find quite a few traffic violations, but probably more importantly plenty of bad riding, now what is worse a bad rider or someone with a loud can?????

[2E]

Tooey i cant even be bothered to actually respond to your ramblings in detail suffice to say that when you have passed your test, progressed and then actually experienced a bit of real riding life then i may take onboard what you have to say.

But when my £9000 bike breaks down and is covered by a warranty or when i look out the window at a thing of beauty instead of looking out hoping that someone nicked it i feel quite smug about it, you took offence to something that i posted in a light hearted manner, something i posted in defence of you openly slating sports bike riders on a site that is inhabited by them, what did you expect a warm welcome? :D

You made your point, it was probably taken onboard as an opinion, i certainly read it, made what i wanted of it and then moved on, i suggest you do the same unless you want to get into some proper debate, but to tell me that you have never broken the law on the road whatsoever i will call you a liar, i am betting i could follow you and find quite a few traffic violations, but probably more importantly plenty of bad riding, now what is worse a bad rider or someone with a loud can?????

unKnowingly breaking the law, and purposely doing it are two totally different things, and no im not going to debate the fact, it was pure opinions i stated, most of which were agreed.:grin2

Im not slating sports bikes, im expressing the fact that modifying your bike to replicate a race bike and using it on the road is illegal for a reason.:laugh1

I didnt say listen to what i have to say, i just gave my two pence on the subject seeing as this is an open topic and everyones entitled to their opinions here.:rockon

And yes ill be the first person to admit there will be some bad riding, we cant all be Valentino Rossi:grin1

Where it might be true a bad rider may be worse than a loud can... being a bad rider isnt illegal you just need a bit of training, but having a ridiculously loud can is illegal!:grin2

[SDM]

... being a bad rider isnt illegal

Driving/riding without due care and attention is being a bad rider, so it must be illegal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lateshift]

ahem Knowingly breaking the law and purposely doing it are exactly the same thing, you know you are doing it on both counts ;)

Modifying your bike to replicate a sports bike (bearing in mind most race bikes are derived from road production bikes) is not illegal first and foremost, only exhaust cans that are marked not for road use or for race use only, that means you can fit a race replica can that is legal for the road.

Also just to add to that its become a popular debate recently with regards to noise emissions, in so much as the legal db limit for road use is 92db and strangely enough standard fit road cans have been tested at well above that, however the can is legal as it comes fitted to the bike.

You are right you didnt say listen to what i have to say, exactly the same as i dont, but opinion is one thing (sometimes best kept to yourself) and forcing it down someone else's throat is another, again dont expect sympathy when the vast majority of bike owners in the country own sports bikes and like to change them to suit their individual taste, its no different than anything these days.

I am by no means Valentino Rossi, quite why that comes into the equation i have no idea, you wont find Mr Rossi doing 80 miles a day through traffic into London and you certainly wont find him having to ride in all weathers and all conditions when he can drive a Ferrari instead and keep his riding for the track.

The point i was making about bad riding is that regardless of what you say a bad rider is as much a menace to themselves and others on the road as a loud can is to people that actually take that much notice of them above the sound of loud cans on cars and thumping sub woofers these days, the difference is people will whinge about the noise bikes make because biking is still an outlawed form of transport for those that have never ridden and thing we are all hooligans.

My cans state for road use on them, it doesnt make them quiet, i ride a V Twin and its still nowhere near as loud as the noise a Hardly Ableson makes and yet its rare you see one of them bikes being pulled for the racket them buckets of bits make ;)

[Becky B]

F*^K me you lot have completley lost me!

Yup im with ya on that one

[Webby]

Also just to add to that its become a popular debate recently with regards to noise emissions, in so much as the legal db limit for road use is 92db and strangely enough standard fit road cans have been tested at well above that, however the can is legal as it comes fitted to the bike.

I think I looked that one up some time back and we discussed it. Crazy isn't it?

You are right you didnt say listen to what i have to say, exactly the same as i dont, but opinion is one thing (sometimes best kept to yourself) and forcing it down someone else's throat is another, again dont expect sympathy when the vast majority of bike owners in the country own sports bikes and like to change them to suit their individual taste, its no different than anything these days.

Each to their own. I have seen some sports bikes, heavily modified that I would love to own.



My cans state for road use on them, it doesnt make them quiet, i ride a V Twin and its still nowhere near as loud as the noise a Hardly Ableson makes and yet its rare you see one of them bikes being pulled for the racket them buckets of bits make ;)

I was in Wales recently when the Harley meet heading for Eire was going down to the ferry. Many of these bikes had straight through pipes and the police did stop quite a few. Not to nick them though, simply to admire the bikes! Now, Wales being Wales, as I'm sure you know, if I remember right you did the same roads as me a year or so ago, you ride your standard bike at 2 MPH over the limit and they'll have you. Really weird. Must be a sheep lovers thing?

[NitroDaze]

Single line number plates attract the attention of those that want to look for other stuff normally, as much as i like the cleaner look of a tiny single line plate, i just couldnt be doing with riding and having to wonder about whether i will get pulled everytime i go past a Police car.

I wonder if you have heard, they are thinking of applying the congestion charge to bikes:mad:. At some point this year, bikes going into london will have to pay £1 a day to go into london.
I have tryied to figure this one out. How do bike contribute to the congestion in london? More still is, the threshold for falling into the congestion charge bracket was vehicles over 1000cc. A huge majority of bikes that go into london are well within that? So what is this charge for, l ask myself? I come to the conclusion that it is a revenue generating ploy. Not about congestion or green (environmental) reasons either. At the sametime, Westminster Council is in the throes of charging for bike parking at £1 a day too. It seems bikers have fallen out of grace with london authorities. I am not sure why.:confused:

[richy rich]

tooey you said your bike will last longer than lateshifts?!.... how many times have you had probelms since you had it??... am i right in saying that you have already fallen off it and when you bought it it wouldnt start or something or wouldnt run properly..... not the best of statements to make i dont think mate:) lol

[2E]

tooey you said your bike will last longer than lateshifts?!.... how many times have you had probelms since you had it??... am i right in saying that you have already fallen off it and when you bought it it wouldnt start or something or wouldnt run properly..... not the best of statements to make i dont think mate:) lol

Problems?? Well problems are inevitable with ANY bike, id personally shake any mans hand who could tell me hes got a 1982 bike thats been off the road since 2005 with absolutely no problems whatsoever!!:laugh2

That quote is in respect of the fact my bike is an old reliable honda, which are well known to just keep going... anyone whos owned a CG125 will probably confirm that (just dont turn to sonofabiker for that quote, hes the only man ive ever known to blow up two of these bikes..).
Obviously re-reading it i find that that quote may of come across as rude, which im hoping lateshift took it as the joke it was supposed to be and i apologise if not.;)

The only problems with my bike at the moment is the electrics (give me some credit, 6v electrics are rubbish anyway) or more the bulb.. and probably a new float and needle/carberretta clean(?) where if you leave the fuel on when stopped you have to open the throttle to start it on the kick... but thats solved by turning the fuel off everytime you switch the engine off and stop...:D

The lights im hoping to solve this week, possibly by ripping some rubber off of something to replace the bit in the lampholder (Fezby?? advised this?)

Other than that... nothings wrong with my bike............






































































Mechanically!!:laugh1 :clap

[superstacker]

I can be hundreds of miles away, and feel like the military is crapping on me from a great height by trying to stretch me further and further. I can feel amazingly down...

But dear brother i read your posts and my life suddenly becomes more bearable.

You're not stupid dear brother, far from stupid. But you are however young and inexperienced. Lateshift on the other hand is more of a dinosaur...;) his word is gospel and written on scribes handed down from generation to generation.

Do yourself a favour and listen to what he's saying to you:

If he says your committing insurance fraud, then you are. He is more experienced then you in the insurance world. If he believed you would get away with it, then im sure he would say nothing.

Your entitled to an opinion bro, your entitled to your freedom of speech. But try and listen to the man, or he may end up not dishing out free advice.

Oh and join the TA you oxygen thief.

[MickyGixer]

Do yourself a favour and listen to what he's saying to you:

I will second that, we've been over this sort of attitude before, it doesnt just reflect on you, it reflects on the rest of the forum and to anyone that reads it.:reading

[STEALTH52]

+1, Lateshifts right on every point so far. (As usual!:laugh1 ).....................
tooey your attitude is wrong mate.

[NitroDaze]

After reading this thread through from the start again, l have to say that EB is one of the finest bikers forum on the planet. It is so because for a start it does not have an unreasonable administrator who might terminate your membership because you express controversial opinion. Hence, threads develop through all facets of the issue raised. It is truely representative of bikers opinion. Better still you get some very knowledgable and helpful bikers on the forum too.
While it can be said that freedom of speech is fully encouraged on the forum, it is inevitable that you would get one or two members that would express opinion beyond their comprehension. Unfortunately, this is one of such a thread.
There is very little doubt that Tooey has a right to express his opinion. And his original opinion on the most part expressed it well. However it fell apart when he started slagging off sportbikes. Which unfortunately undid the good point (though most clearly disagree) that he started out with in his contentious opinion. Worst still, he shows his ineptitude by not realising his mistake and taking steps to not letting it get out of hand. A small apology would have done it. But rather became confrontational and plainly abusive. Particularly so to a member that has earned quite some respect from the entire membership of this forum. In my opinion, there is no excuse for disrespect and abusiveness. Tooey, you have to admit that your conduct is out of order. And the decent thing to do is to make an apology to Lateshift.
While it doesn't matter that you have not passed your test yet and you have not bought your dream bike yet. You are entitled to state your biking opinions, but you must do so respectfully. That is so because any sports biker who comes on this forum and start slagging off 50cc bikes and scooters will certainly get his ass kicked for doing so. And by other sportbikers too.
So l think you know what you have to do.

[DoodleBug]

.... I really dont think the whole 'commuting through london so need to be heard' excuse works for this either tbh... Wear dayglo jackets.. and beep your horn if you have to, you dont need a stupidly loud exhaust at all...

I actually got rid of a perfectly good bike recently. Part of the reason being that it was too dangerous to ride into london compared with other bikes I ride. The reason being that it was too quiet. You dont want people to hear you just before you arrive, you NEED them to be aware of your arrival in advance. Loud Bikes Save Lives. Fact.

[NitroDaze]

I actually got rid of a perfectly good bike recently. Part of the reason being that it was too dangerous to ride into london compared with other bikes I ride. The reason being that it was too quiet. You dont want people to hear you just before you arrive, you NEED them to be aware of your arrival in advance. Loud Bikes Save Lives. Fact.
Quoting from the Motorcycle Enforcement Strategy For England and Wales document:-
.Motorcyclists represent a large proportion of road casualties in relation to their numbers. They make up around 1% of road traffic, but suffer around 18% of deaths and serious injuries.

It is the reality of this statistics that drive most bikers to install loud cans because they do not want to be a casusalty. Untill, authorities factor bikers into their thinking process, bikers will resort to whatever means they think best to ensure their safety on the road.

[superstacker]

Whilst im keen not to make this a "jump on my brother thread", I did feel i needed to step in and say something.

However some people may need to bear in mind that the lad is 17, and for those of you with kids, you will know that younger people are never wrong!

He is beyond his years i believe, but still lacks, purely through age, the experience to back up his opinions. That said, I'd rather read through some of his threads then some others ive seen from young lads on motorbike forums. Purely for comedy value sometimes.

Im sure Lateshift isnt easily offended, i doubt he'd have made it far in the TA if he didnt have rhino skin and some amazing wit and put downs.

So my suggestion? maybe its time to drop a shilling into Tooeymasters pint glass?

[NitroDaze]

Whilst im keen not to make this a "jump on my brother thread", I did feel i needed to step in and say something.

However some people may need to bear in mind that the lad is 17, and for those of you with kids, you will know that younger people are never wrong!

He is beyond his years i believe, but still lacks, purely through age, the experience to back up his opinions. That said, I'd rather read through some of his threads then some others ive seen from young lads on motorbike forums. Purely for comedy value sometimes.

Im sure Lateshift isnt easily offended, i doubt he'd have made it far in the TA if he didnt have rhino skin and some amazing wit and put downs.

So my suggestion? maybe its time to drop a shilling into Tooeymasters pint glass?
I hear you dude. I admit l came down on Tooey abit too hard. Your wise words certainly puts things in perspective. Ride on people :bike2 :bike2 :bike2

[DoodleBug]

Whilst im keen not to make this a "jump on my brother thread", I did feel i needed to step in and say something.

However some people may need to bear in mind that the lad is 17, and for those of you with kids, you will know that younger people are never wrong!

He is beyond his years i believe, but still lacks, purely through age, the experience to back up his opinions. That said, I'd rather read through some of his threads then some others ive seen from young lads on motorbike forums. Purely for comedy value sometimes.

Im sure Lateshift isnt easily offended, i doubt he'd have made it far in the TA if he didnt have rhino skin and some amazing wit and put downs.

So my suggestion? maybe its time to drop a shilling into Tooeymasters pint glass?

So Lateshift was in the TA was he?

Oooh, cant wait until he reads that one.

As for Tooey, I fully appreciated he is just a nipper, and that I would swear blue is black when I was his age. Maybe if we correct his mistakes enough he will learn more quickly that us "oldies" did. Nice theory ;)

[2E]

Ok before Guvnor sets up the gallows at the white hart and you lot hang me at dawn :laugh1 id like to apologise if anything i said disrespected or upset anyone... it wasnt intended that way.:(

Re-reading the thread i see how it came across to the third person and obviously my views should be kept to myself.. ill try and bare that in mind.

Lateshift your the least person id want to disrespect, namely for three reasons, 1) you are the wisest person i know and your advice should be taken seriously, 2) You've been riding alot longer than me, and 3) Your size and military training makes you pretty scary in truth!:laugh1

I didnt want to disrespect anyone else or their bikes, it seems my opinions have annoyed quite alot of you in fairness, but i was merely expressing my view on illegally modifying bikes.:shooter And it seems it turnt into an onslaught against sports bikes..

I've never claimed im a great rider, ill be the first to put my hands up to riding badly..:shooter

Well anyway.. i apologise.:(

[the captain]

and 3) Your size and military training makes you pretty scary in truth!:laugh1


dude, that comment alone, i feel, redeems you whole heartedly!!!!!:laugh1

[NitroDaze]

:clap :clap That was so cool Tooey. :clap :clap

[kasandrich]

Think your halo might have slipped !:laugh1 :laugh1

.....No Halo here Guv' I merely said I had a 100% legal plate, not a 100% legal bike ;) or I never break any laws, my can for instance, is not "E" marked, neither does it say "Not for road use" ........not since I ground it out it doesn't ;) fooled the MOT man so I reckon it would fool the average Police Officer. My point was that by having a legal number plate I avoid the unwanted attention.

[Lateshift]

Lets put this one to bed, i tried to keep this fairly light hearted whilst just trying to conjure up the other side of the story for young Tooeymaster here :)

I dont profess to be right everytime, its more a case of the fact that i am normally the first on a post that requires info probably because i take the time to actually go and find the info out if i am not sure first ;)

That may well on the other hand come across as if i am some kind of know it all too which i am sad to say even i have noticed on occasions, i dont try to be, i try to be helpful, especially where (i was going to put youngsters here but i thought that might be a little patronising especially if you are capable of twisting a throttle and riding on the road) the junior members are concerned.

Sometimes that attitude may also seem slightly off, but in actual fact i am quite open in so much as once you have ****ed me off you tend to know about it quite quickly, again if i offend someone then i expect some chest poking too ;)

Matter closed as far as i am concerned :)

Mr Stacker, i am shocked and appalled at just where you got this idea from that i am or have been TA, there is a distinct difference between the Regular Army and them ;)

However i am glad to say that its through working with the TA that i actually got myself out of the strict Military mind set and actually found probably a more acceptable attitude towards civilian life ;) :D

If that had come from a TA soldier i may have taken that as a compliment actually, having had it come from a Helicopter pump attendant its a different matter ;) :D

Peace and love for all eh :D

[2E]

Mr Stacker, i am shocked and appalled at just where you got this idea from that i am or have been TA, there is a distinct difference between the Regular Army and them ;)

However i am glad to say that its through working with the TA that i actually got myself out of the strict Military mind set and actually found probably a more acceptable attitude towards civilian life ;) :D

If that had come from a TA soldier i may have taken that as a compliment actually, having had it come from a Helicopter pump attendant its a different matter ;) :D

Peace and love for all eh :D

Helicopter Pump Attendant!! :laugh1

Thats tickled me for today!!:grin1

[superstacker]

My apologies lateshift,

I naturally assumed that by working on a TA unit, you were in the TA. More of a technicality if you ask me ;)

Please do not let my comments take the spotlight off the waste of a good jacket i call a brother :)

Well i must dash, I have a helicopter pump in Northern ireland to stand next to :)

[2E]

My apologies lateshift,

I naturally assumed that by working on a TA unit, you were in the TA. More of a technicality if you ask me ;)

Please do not let my comments take the spotlight off the waste of a good jacket i call a brother :)

Well i must dash, I have a helicopter pump in Northern ireland to stand next to :)

Dont you try that one, im hiding in the shadows now and keeping myself to myself... you offend thee great lateshift ye shall suffer thee consequences.:D

BTW off topic ever so slightly but i have my bike test tommorow ;)

[bayonet]

BTW off topic ever so slightly but i have my bike test tommorow ;)Remember the most important manoeuvre you have to carry out tomorrow and practice it over and over tonight. It's vitally important that the folded £50 note is only just peeping out, sandwiched between your CBT certificate and provisional licence, as you hand them to the examiner.

Good Luck!