My zx6r.....

[doodlebug37]

Well, thought you all might like to see the wreckage of a 2005 636 after a transit comes and introduces itself, at 60mph. Ill give ya the story, Jay Gates and I went for a nice saturday afternoon ride in sunny march, I left Jay at the gas station in latchingdon, when shortly after on Fambridge road, I went to overtake a transit. Unfortunatly the eejit didnt think about indicating or checking his mirror before he decded to do the same thing, result, i get a transit impacting me, shoving me down a ditch, knocking me unconcious and into a coma, shattering my left arm, breaking some left ribs and one ****ed bike, so heres the pics,

few days before
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damage
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f62/doodlebug37/IMAG0006-1.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f62/doodlebug37/IMAG0010-2.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f62/doodlebug37/IMAG0009-2.jpg

But yeah I came out of the coma, my arms now all bolted up and believe me I have the scars to show lol take it easy guys, and never overtake transits

[Gixxer-TeZ]

never overtake transits, theyre all driven by complete ****ers



I drive a transit ........ come to think of it I think there are a few people on here do, but we don't go round saying all zx6r riders are complete ****ers do we.


And although I wouldn't wish such injuries on anyone, it makes me wonder why (a) you was overtaking on Fambridge road when a large majority of it is solid double white lines (b) how fast was you going when the van hit you (c) why didn't you check in front of the van before you made your move as I sure would have checked to see if it could possibly make an unannounced manouvre.


Sorry if I seem cynical, but I am fed up with coming on here, other forums and listening to what seems to be nearly everyone who has stacked their bike, try and talk there way out of it by blaming others.
I bet if I had been following you I could pick holes in your riding left righ and center but of course we are bikers so that is irrelevant isn't it.


It's about time some of us actually took a long hard look at how we ride, and see where we can improve on it while still enjoying ourselves.
Maybe even try saying "**** ...... That was stupid of me" instead of "the car pulled out on me" line.

Funny you was out with jay gates aswell considering he has also just stacked his bike which wasn't his fault either.

[MICKTLS]

Well thats nice i drive a Transit van ...............now thats what i call tarring everyone with the same brush just because people use the same vehicle ............after all you wouldnt like to be classified the same as the kids on a street corner on their squirt and goes with their helmets stuck on top of their heads lol

[doodlebug37]

I drive a transit ........ come to think of it I think there are a few people on here do, but we don't go round saying all zx6r riders are complete ****ers do we.


And although I wouldn't wish such injuries on anyone, it makes me wonder why (a) you was overtaking on Fambridge road when a large majority of it is solid double white lines (b) how fast was you going when the van hit you (c) why didn't you check in front of the van before you made your move as I sure would have checked to see if it could possibly make an unannounced manouvre.


Sorry if I seem cynical, but I am fed up with coming on here, other forums and listening to what seems to be nearly everyone who has stacked their bike, try and talk there way out of it by blaming others.
I bet if I had been following you I could pick holes in your riding left righ and center but of course we are bikers so that is irrelevant isn't it.


It's about time some of us actually took a long hard look at how we ride, and see where we can improve on it while still enjoying ourselves.
Maybe even try saying "**** ...... That was stupid of me" instead of "the car pulled out on me" line.

Funny you was out with jay gates aswell considering he has also just stacked his bike which wasn't his fault either.

right, it wasnt my fault, it was his fault, insurance claim all settled, where i overtook was not solid lines, i was perfectly within my rights

EDIT, right i see alot of you drive transits, sorry, didnt mean it to sound like that, but this one was a complete tosser lol i mean fancy trying to overtake somthing, IN A TRANSIT!

[Gixxer-TeZ]

right, it wasnt my fault, it was his fault, insurance claim all settled, where i overtook was not solid lines, i was perfectly within my rights

EDIT, right i see alot of you drive transits, sorry, didnt mean it to sound like that, but this one was a complete tosser lol i mean fancy trying to overtake somthing, IN A TRANSIT!



Sorry. I still disagree and don't take this personal.

My company transit is a 135ps and does 130mph. It is more than capable of overtaking safely and quicker than a lot of cars, so your statement to me is invalid.

Also, I don't doubt that you was perfectly in your rights to overtake but that does not mean it was safe to do so. I have been riding 22 years and driving for the same amount of time and I've also done my ADI in the car which to some extent makes me a little bit more experienced than some, and I still say it is wrong for the large majority of bikers to blame others. Did you pull back and take a good look before you made your manouvre for example ? Did you give the van plenty of room when you did ? I don't know but it really winds me up with all these post about how bad everyone else is on the road. When is the last time you see a post when someone said "I was riding like a twat or I didn't think and ended up smashing my bike up". Never !!!!!! Thats when.
Also, and I am only asking, as you was put into a coma do you actually remember what happened. Can you prove the van did not signal ? Just because in the eyes of the law he was in the wrong, does not mean he was the only one in the wrong.

[doodlebug37]

Sorry. I still disagree and don't take this personal.

My company transit is a 135ps and does 130mph. It is more than capable of overtaking safely and quicker than a lot of cars, so your statement to me is invalid.

Also, I don't doubt that you was perfectly in your rights to overtake but that does not mean it was safe to do so. I have been riding 22 years and driving for the same amount of time and I've also done my ADI in the car which to some extent makes me a little bit more experienced than some, and I still say it is wrong for the large majority of bikers to blame others. Did you pull back and take a good look before you made your manouvre for example ? Did you give the van plenty of room when you did ? I don't know but it really winds me up with all these post about how bad everyone else is on the road. When is the last time you see a post when someone said "I was riding like a twat or I didn't think and ended up smashing my bike up". Never !!!!!! Thats when.
Also, and I am only asking, as you was put into a coma do you actually remember what happened. Can you prove the van did not signal ? Just because in the eyes of the law he was in the wrong, does not mean he was the only one in the wrong.

witnesses say he didnt signal, also he admitted not signalling, and he took 20 minutes to return to the scene of the accident

[RaceMeNSee]

wow wow wow wow people....easy! harsh accident! i SWEAR the nose cones of the C1h's are actually made of cheese! my one EXPLODED when the bike hit the BMW thing! there was no trace of it anywhere....just LOADS of green bits! lol

[Torpedo]

people are being uber harsh toward doodle here i must say... the accident was quite a while ago fellas, long before jays one. just like me he doesnt post very much and had his attention bought to the forum today by jays accident, so i guess he felt like posting his stitch as well.

[Dal]

I'm not about to play devils advocate but I think it's time to calm down.

Doodle was relaying his story and his version of the events. I accept there are always two sides. He also apologized for throwing mud at all transit (van) drivers.

And none of us were there to witness what did or did not happen. Therefore to start quizzing someone about their actions is not fair.

I have ridden with lots of people from this and other forums and see people take unnecessary risks all the time. But I don't lecture them it's not my place to, they always find out the hard way!

[UKSkidMark]

Was he turning right into a road, or a driveway?

If he was turning into a road, you shouldn't have been overtaking.
If it was a driveway, then there's not a lot you coulda done to predict it.

And I don't drive a white van :laugh1

[JayGates_SP1]

The witnesses said that the van didnt indicate and the van driver also admitted it .... at first

[UKSkidMark]

Regardless of whether he indicated or not, if it was into a side road, you'd have to be damned silly to overtake. And it's probably an offence too.
Hence my question.

[JayGates_SP1]

there are no side roads on the stretch where dale came off. The van driver was overtaking a slow moving vehicle in front of him, in doing this he unknowingly knocked dale off as he was in the process of over taking them both.

Granted dale may have been speeding but regardless it was a very horrible event and I think that this particular man was careless and has shown this in the fact that his statements have changed several times.

[Gixxer-TeZ]

So the fact that Dale was speeding could have contributed to the accident.
And I'm not being harsh, (this is a discussion board after all isn't it ?) as I first said I would not wish an accident on anyone, but I find it hard to believe that every biker that has an accident insists they were doing nothing wrong. I don't doubt for a minute the van driver was a nob, and I don't doubt he was at some level in the wrong, but could Dale have done anything to avoid the accident, and if so then he is unfair coming on here slating off van drivers and throwing all the blame on that bloke, no matter how big a twat he was.
If Dale was speeding could there be a point to make that he manouvered to fast not giving the van driver a chance to see him ?

Put it this way, If this thread upsets anyone, then it's worth it if one person on here thinks harder and longer next time they do something on their bike and that itself saves their life !!!!!!!!!

[Dal]

Put it this way, If this thread upsets anyone, then it's worth it if one person on here thinks harder and longer next time they do something on their bike and that itself saves their life !!!!!!!!!

This thread doesn't upset me, I just think it's completely pointless :rolleyes: The accident happened, as they do and they will continue to happen. If you really beleive someone will do something differently having read this post your very misguided.

And what's the saying about people and glass houses. (or do people actually by 600 supersport bikes to comply with the speed limit)

I don't know Dale, J or any of his crew. And I will be the first to blast them when video's appear of them doing stupid things on public roads, wheelieing, stoppies etc. Although there last video post suggests they have learn to keep it away from public places. However all I see is people having a pop at them because of there age. Would I have listened to you or anyone else at there age? No need to answer that me thinks :D

And just to return to your point one last time, I think your find it perfectly acceptable to speed when overtaking another vehicle as long as you return to the speed limit once past. :grin2

[JayGates_SP1]

alot of valid points there.....
As I have always said regarding this acident, regardless of whose fault it was it happened. It was aweful for everyone but moving on we all learned lessons from it.... No more so then dale. I think the whole group rides with their heads now. There are exceptions but tend to keep those to private roads and airfields.

And im sure dale didnt mean to **** anyone off.... I think we were all just defencivly bitter!

[Gixxer-TeZ]

And just to return to your point one last time, I think your find it perfectly acceptable to speed when overtaking another vehicle as long as you return to the speed limit once past. :grin2


I doubt it as thats what John (quickshift) got pulled for last week when we went to Burnham. He was overtaking a coach when a bike cop jumped out on him.

And sorry Dal, accidents don't happen. People make errors.


EDIT/ADD A BIT

Also, who mentioned age ? As Jay has just said these things do make them think and if the older people on here never said anything, then they definetly would never think, learn etc etc.

As for my 600, I have never said anywhere I don't speed. A lot of errors are misjudgement, and the main reason I got shot of the R1 was to slow down, even if it was only slowing down a bit.

Not a dig Dal. I see where your coming from. I just disagree with most of it.

[Dal]

I doubt it as thats what John (quickshift) got pulled for last week when we went to Burnham. He was overtaking a coach when a bike cop jumped out on him.

And sorry Dal, accidents don't happen. People make errors.


EDIT/ADD A BIT

Also, who mentioned age ? As Jay has just said these things do make them think and if the older people on here never said anything, then they definetly would never think, learn etc etc.

As for my 600, I have never said anywhere I don't speed. A lot of errors are misjudgement, and the main reason I got shot of the R1 was to slow down, even if it was only slowing down a bit.

Not a dig Dal. I see where your coming from. I just disagree with most of it.

That's fair enough your entitled to your opinion as I everyone else are.

[JayGates_SP1]

DOODLEBUG37: firstly, I was NOT speeding, police have said I was under the speed limit, secondly he was not turning into a sideroad or driveway, just going for an overtake... as was i, no solid lines, no "no overtaking" signs, nothing. and it was in a national speed limit

[2E]

nasty accident.. and ouch mate.... i remember when i crashed my moped in 2005 and was knocked out.. you know its actually really really peaceful, now if u suddenly saw nothing but black you'd usually panic.. but i felt like i was in bed or something, no pain, no uncomfortableness, just blackness...:reading

though that feeling still didnt compare to the good old morphine... oh joy thats good stuff.... :grin2