Smoking ban

[2E]

So what does everyone think of it, now that its been in a fair few days..

i personally love it, though i was never a keen smoker, more of a social smoker if i had to kind of thing.:grin1

I personally think that the ban has been the best thing the government has done for a long while.. i came home the other night from the snooker club and went to do the usual trick, bundle the smelly smokey clothes straight into the washing machine when i stopped.. and realised they didnt smell like a thousand ashtrays.:clap

And i felt happy the other day when i saw a pregnant woman sitting amognst friends in a pub sipping on her orange juice knowing shes not breathing in harmful fumes anymore...:grin2

So im fully in support of the ban...

[gixer400]

True true.

I loves it too. When i got in from the pub the other night all i stank of was beer and women..... well maybe just beer, but knocks the spots of stinking like an ashtray

[2E]

True true.

I loves it too. When i got in from the pub the other night all i stank of was beer and women..... well maybe just beer, but knocks the spots of stinking like an ashtray

Stinky women??? What pub do you go to? lol :laugh1

[Lateshift]

And i felt happy the other day when i saw a pregnant woman sitting amognst friends in a pub sipping on her orange juice knowing shes not breathing in harmful fumes anymore...:grin2



so whats to say that as a pregnant woman she wasnt one of the thousands that actually smokes through pregnancy???

[STEALTH52]

I think it's utter s**t, Sick & tired of being dictated to by the goverment, we wont be able to fart in public without getting a fine soon & as for not being able to smoke in a work van when all the passengers are smokers is taking the absolute mick!!!!! Im not taking any notice of it for one!

[gixxergal]

I have decided to change my donor card --I now do NOT want any of my organs going to a NON SMOKER -- Its the only way i can put my point across...... I hope everyone else does the same --

[D4N]

I think it's great, sorry for you smokers.

I was able to go to the pub on Friday, play a bit of darts and was able to breath in the process.

Normally I go out and find it difficult to even open my eyes without them drying up.

Also my dad smokes Marlbro Red and then properlly stink the house.

He's been confined to the downstairs toilet and outside.

He's not happy bald man..... :laugh1

[2E]

I have decided to change my donor card --I now do NOT want any of my organs going to a NON SMOKER -- Its the only way i can put my point across...... I hope everyone else does the same --

Well seeing as smoking damages so many organs i doubt really there would be anything left to give... i mean your lungs would be so black there really wouldnt be a point, and your heart would have taken years of smoke abuse..but i agree, might as well give them to a smoker, there organs are probably in the same state anyway.:grin2

I think it should be your choice whether or not you smoke, but i agree with the ban primarily for the reason that it should not be your choice to smoke in public/enclosed conditions..

'Passive smoking for just 30 minutes can damage the heart, according to a study which immediately prompted new calls for more California-style restrictions to stop non-smokers being exposed to fumes.
Japanese doctors said they had evidence that the coronary circulation of healthy non-smokers was affected so badly by short exposure to fumes that parts of their hearts looked no different from that of smokers. '
Source: The Guardian

Smokings never really appealed to me, so im completely biased and will fight it, the three principal things of a cigarette, Tar, nicotine, and carbon monoxide, what keeps you wanting these drugs.. the nicotine..

I mean you wouldnt fill your house with tar or carbon monoxide and breathe that in, yet you do everytime you take a drag on one of those.

What makes me really sick, is the stories you read about people who go into hospital with lung cancer who DONT smoke.. the reason?

Because they have been subjected to hours of breathing in other peoples waste.

If you want to damage your health do so, but why make others suffer.

Smoking ban FTW

[gixxergal]

At my last check up my lungs -heart are perfect for a woman my age . Eyes, liver etc are all donated but not now smokers only

[2E]

At my last check up my lungs -heart are perfect for a woman my age . Eyes, liver etc are all donated but not now smokers only

Well it truly depends on how long you've been smoking for, how much etc etc, they reckon if you smoke then stop for 10 years you go back to being as healthy as a non smoker as it gives the organs a chance to heal themselves..
You might be perfect now, but come the tragic day of your death, and you've been smoking for.. lets say.. 20 years, your organs would have about as much use as a toothpick in a gunfight.:grin2

[The Guvnor]

To many chiefs......not enuff indians !!! And dont beleive all the stats you read in the paper or on the web !!!! I smoke, but prefer a non smokey atmosphere ! Its not about wether its right or wrong, its about freedom of choice ! Oh, and tooey, in your first post your a social smoker...........and then later you dont like it:rolleyes:...........ello.........what is it then ?

[racyo]

Sorry to all the smokers out there but personally I think it's great I can finally go out for a drink and not come back feeling and smelling like I've been sitting in an ashtray all night :grin2

Also as a family man it means I can go out for an evening with with my kids and not be limited on the choice of places to go.

I don't need statistics to tell me that sitting in a pub for a few hours with no smoke I feel a hell of a lot better than after spending the same amount of time in a smokey one, for a start I can breath in the morning :grin2

Don't get me wrong I'm an ex-smoker so I know how annoying it must be to a lot of smokers out there but most I know and have spoken to are pretty supportive of this ban, if nothing else it's given some of them the incentive to give up.

[DoodleBug]

Even though I do not enjoy leaving a pub/club stinking of smoke, I enjoy the idea of a removed public right even less! So I'd have to come down on the side of the smokers on this one, amazingly!

Speaking to some people at the weekend, aparently some people have become smokers because of this ban. If you are in a group of people who have to go outside to smoke, rather than being billy no mates, people are sticking with their mates, and whilst they are out there with sod all else to do.....puff puff.

I am glad that I can go for a meal whithout smoke, that is another matter entirely for me, the old non-smoking section was laughable, but stopping people from smoking in their work van, even when they are alone is a little odd to say the least.

I have done lots of things in my life which can be considered damaging to my health, and even some (fast cars/bikes etc) which can be harmful to others, gawd help anyone that had tried to take away my right to that pleasure!

[kasandrich]

It is perfectly natural that the smokers are still a bit sore about the ban, but given time, it will become the accepted norm and that soreness will fade. Do you remember when they bought in the smoking ban on busses? not an issue now though is it?

[DoGbOt]

I heard on the news briefly the other day that club owner's are now having to resort strong air fresheners (strawberry smelling smoke machines) an what not along with more air con in order to remove the smell of hundreds of people dancing & having a good time!! all of which they said was never noticed before cos of the smoke smell ....... so this ban is really hitting them hard aswell as a loss in takings apparently!!

Hehe seems we smokers have done a bit more for people than they think!! i mean the entire NHS is propped up by smokers!!

All i can say is i have done my bit for the last 8 years to keep the taxman at bay for the non smokers, just wait till he sees the dent thats missing since many are quitting!! he'll come looking elsewhere & i shall laugh!!

Once i make a desicion i tend to stick to it for better or for worse!! dont rele see myself as a quitter...... so i shall do my best to keep puffing away!! & avoid being a number & standing in line!! I'm an individual dont ya know (funny i thought we all were -- oh well looks like the freedom of speech will be next on the banned list.... as the right to protest outside parliment has already been removed, it wont be long...U Mark my words!!)

This £80 fine now, is that cos ive lit up? or cos i'm puffing,? Can i finish the fag? & if i get one fine how many smokes am i aloud for the £80 as i've already had the fine!??

Tehehe

[The Guvnor]

This £80 fine now, is that cos ive lit up? or cos i'm puffing,? Can i finish the fag? & if i get one fine how many smokes am i aloud for the £80 as i've already had the fine!??

Tehehe


What people dont realise is.......

That when I, as a publican ask someone to put there fag out, im not doing it cos I want to, Im doing it because on top of your £80 fine I can get fined up to £2500 !!!!!!.....per person !!!!!

Thats were the loss of taxes get covered !

Its not the smoking ban Im opposed to, as I said, again, we are having our freedom of choice taken away. And who has to do the dirty work and police it ?..........mugs like me !!!

Oh.....and just to rub salt in the wound, they can still smoke in the Houses of Parliment bar !!!!!!!!:shooter

[kasandrich]

Oh.....and just to rub salt in the wound, they can still smoke in the Houses of Parliment bar !!!!!!!!:shooter



I wasn't aware of that, and that is bang out of order......so its okay for the mp's to have a ciggy with their pint after work, but not the people they represent.


Sorry Guv, but I disagree with your line on taking away choices, it is not, it is giving people choices. If one of your bar staff had refused to enter the bar because it was smokey, they would have lasted long would they?, they now have the choice and the right not to be subjected to smoke one mans meat is another mans gravy is I think the saying.

You still have the right to smoke, you just don't have the right to force others to smoke any longer.

[DoGbOt]

You still have the right to smoke, you just don't have the right to force others to smoke any longer.

You know i Hate to admit it but when you put it that way i think he's rite!

But........ It was ok when I was the dictatorship!!

[STEALTH52]

The hole thing s bull****, im sick of being dictated to by the goverment! if i want to smoke i'll smoke. And while were on the subject of smoking & the environment stuff, did anyone watch live earth the other day???
They are all on about making the world greener & keeping places smoke free etc etc. & then you had Madonna banging on about the environment & ways that you can help.....& then all the celebs fly in by sodding helicopters!!! cos they dont pollute the air much do they!!!!!!!!

[DoGbOt]

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What he said!!

[Comfortably Numb]

I think it's ********. If The Guvnor and his patrons want to be able to smoke in his pub thats up to him to decide not the bloody government. Some pubs were already smoke free but you never saw people flocking to them so maybe there never was the great demand the government went on about. This is just another issue of choice being removed from us. How long before they start to ration alcohol and stop you from consuming more than recommended amount per week? You own your body and it's up to you how you use and abuse it - NO ONE ELSE!

[kasandrich]

Nobody is saying anybody can't have a smoke, you just can't force it on others. They can provide a smoking shelter, as long as it has no more than 50% wall. It can even have a patio heater to cheap the chill off.

The only thing I would say is that the large majority of what must be construed the Publicans main income are also big smokers. Whether that will change with time remains to be seen.

I have been out to southern Ireland where they have had a smoking ban in Pubs for some time, and even out in the sticks, everyone complies with the smoking ban and no one complains. They all troop outside for a smoke.

[Lateshift]

So by the same token that you cant force people to inhale anyone else's smoke, why is it okay for the government to impose a smoking ban on a pub where every member of the staff including the owner smoke?

(playing Devils advocate here).

Surely a pub could be labelled as a smoking zone? and then its entirely up to the non smoker if they want to go in?

You get a warning about nuts on food that contains them, why cant you have a warning on a pub that has smokers in it? :D

[STEALTH52]

Well said Lateshift, my thoughts exactly!!!! just like my work van, we both smoke but yet if the police see us we can get tugged, even though we both smoke! it's ridiculous

[SDM]

So by the same token that you cant force people to inhale anyone else's smoke, why is it okay for the government to impose a smoking ban on a pub where every member of the staff including the owner smoke?

(playing Devils advocate here).

Surely a pub could be labelled as a smoking zone? and then its entirely up to the non smoker if they want to go in?

You get a warning about nuts on food that contains them, why cant you have a warning on a pub that has smokers in it? :D

Not a lot more to be said.......................:clap:clap:clap:clap

[the captain]

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This one will go on for a while. 99% of smokers will think theyre being hard done by and 99% of non smokers will be skipping around with big smiles!!

Im a non smoker, I worked in pubs for 7 years.....hated it, my eyes burned, my throat was sore...and i smelt like an ash tray all the time. I didnt moan though coz its a pub...you expect it.

It okay for the smokers to say its not fair, why should we have to give up, people know a pub is a smokey environment so it up to you (non smokers) if you want to come in or not...but surely non smokers have as much right to come to an establishemnt and take as much enjoyment from it as anyone else....so then we have a case of why should us non smokers have to put up with breathing all this ****........its a catch 22 situation folks!!

I personaly will more than likely venture out into public a bit more (and i mean a BIT......a very little bit) now that i know i can actaully see, and breath!

It does benefit people like me, but i can see how its struck a nerve with the smokers. Unfortunately, by taking the "i dont care, im still gonna do it" attutude, you risk causing grief to a fair few peoplw...like the guvnor said......it may only be £80 to you with your "screw you i do what i want" way of thinking..but its £2500 to people like him!!

So when you spark up in the company van and you get busted, or you grab a crafty puff in the staff room, just think how happy your employer will be when they get fined...then think about your working environment and your relationship with said employer when youve just screwed them for two and a half grand just so you can take another five minutes off your life!

jurys still out on this one.....but unfortunately its a case of smokers, deal with it!

[bikerchick46]

I think it's fantastic! Why should non-smokers have to suffer the harmful of effects of smoke due to passive smoking?! It's fine if people want to smoke as long as they aren't affecting non-smokers. :clap

[kasandrich]

As I said its all a bit raw, it is early days, but in ten years, you will wonder what the fuss is about, years ago you could smoke anywhere, even in a hospital bed, on an aeroplane, on a train, a bus, a library. ....you wouldn't dream of smoking in any of those places now, the smokers will get used to it, the soreness of the wound will ease and in ten years time you will not remember what the fuss about it.

[bikerchick46]

The smokers can stuff it!

[DoodleBug]

This really is a difficult one to debate as there (to my mind) isnt another example where social behaviour affects the health of others. It is a definate them versus us senario. I would rather have the choice to not go into a smoky pub if it meant that the government have less control over our civil liberties. This is just one agenda they have ticked off of their list. There will be more to come.

Just wait until sports bikes are all but banned.....

[STEALTH52]

People can moan all they want, i dont have breaks or lunch at work i work right through to get the work done, i havent got time to stop the van for a fag every hour & it's not going to happen, im not taking a ****ty attitude at all about it but who has the ***** right to tell me what i can & cant do!! im not moaning about the pubs etc I havent got a problem with that & it is unfair on non smokers & they shouldnt have to put up with our smoke i agree with that, but when two smokers are told we cant smoke in our van and it's only ever us in it, thats a step too far & we will continue to smoke in it, but thats our choice. The goverments getting a bit above it's station lately & soon we wont be able to do anything, at the end of the day, people shouldnt be dictated to & it's a free country & people should be allowed to make their own choices.

[bikerchick46]

I think the Government has made a great decision with regards to this smoking ban, and it should have happened many years ago!!

And I agree with freedom of choice, but only if the effects of the choice aren't affecting other people who haven't made that choice.

[Lateshift]

And I agree with freedom of choice, but only if the effects of the choice aren't affecting other people who haven't made that choice.


how can you uphold that view when reading Quickshifts post? here we have 2 people who use a van, no-one else is in it and they are bound by law not to smoke in it, surely its affecting other people who didnt make that choice now?

granted i can appreciate that if there was a non smoker in the vehicle it would be common sense to apply the law on health reasons, but if they both smoke then what is the problem? :D

This isnt to say that i dont support the smoking ban, as a smoker myself i prefer to smoke outside anyway in public areas wherever possible, but lets not get this all out of proportion do i as a smoker now have the right to tell a non smoker to sod off away from me when i am sat outside the pub enjoying a cigarette because they have come and sat in a smoking area? :D

[bikerchick46]

The smoking ban means non-smokers can go out without being surrounded by smoke, which is not good for your health. Non-smokers shouldn't have to put up with the disgusting smoke.

Can I just say that there is nothing worse than going out and having some smokers on the next table, puffing in ur face the WHOLE NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Consideration to others?

[The Guvnor]

You still have the right to smoke, you just don't have the right to force others to smoke any longer.



What about them taking away my right to run my business the way I want ? The bottom line is if you dont want to go into a smokey pub dont ! go drink in a restaurant bar or wine bar there are pleny about !
No one forces anyone to smoke or enter a pub, a non smoker has always had the right to go somewhere else !

And the sad thing is......this has just put finish to the good old british boozer !!!!

[STEALTH52]

What about them taking away my right to run my business the way I want ? The bottom line is if you dont want to go into a smokey pub dont ! go drink in a restaurant bar or wine bar there are pleny about !
No one forces anyone to smoke or enter a pub, a non smoker has always had the right to go somewhere else !

And the sad thing is......this has just put finish to the good old british boozer !!!!

Well said Guv! :clap

[gixxergal]

You're right their Guvnor. I have worked in licenece trade best part of my life and still use pubs regular..... I can appreciate those who dont smoke point -- but I think as a licncsee *its your home* and punters are your guests .. if you want to smoke in your home and your guests do all well and good those that dont can go to a non smoking pub -- But the law degrees they can smoke thie pipe /cigars in Parliament bars --but the likes of normal people have no choice

I have lived all over the wolrd and a British pub is the one thing missed by expats worldwide -- I dont know what facilities you have made for smokers. we meet afterwork on a monday from 4 till 6 ish -order an indian and come home -- about 8 -10 of us --I would guess we spend around £100. That pub has done fek all other than a Fosters ricarty gazebo. Where as another pub -- we not keen on -- dont like beer (shepheard and neame) the guy has a terrific Umbrella thing with heating and lights right by the rear door to pub . So this monday gone, he has had our money .........
I know from friends in Scotland and wales how it has affected trade and the amount of cutbacks on Bar staff etc ..
We will all get use to it - but for me other than a monday after work -- gone are the weekends at our local club /pub because I am not dressing up to sit outside all night in a coat come winter -- So we will be having Cards nights indoors and our drinks .

[2E]

To many chiefs......not enuff indians !!! And dont beleive all the stats you read in the paper or on the web !!!! I smoke, but prefer a non smokey atmosphere ! Its not about wether its right or wrong, its about freedom of choice ! Oh, and tooey, in your first post your a social smoker...........and then later you dont like it:rolleyes:...........ello.........what is it then ?

Im a non-smoker, used to socially smoke but gave it up a long time ago.

As for quickshifts van, i wasnt aware it was against the law/the ban for you to smoke in the van, i thought that rule was just imposed by the company.. either way, a laws a law... i doubt the ban will ever get changed no matter how much people fight it, switch their organ donor cards to 'smoker only' or just generally go on about it.

The Government wont admit they made the wrong choice.:grin2

[SDM]

As I understand the law regarding 'Company Vans'...........if you are the ONLY driver of that van, then you can smoke in it, but if you and other people drive the van then you can't smoke in it or somebody else is in the van that doesn't smoke

[badco]

passive smoking the biggest crock of ****e ever .if its true why arnt publicans and bar staff droppin like flies with lung cancer they(were) in smokey atmospheres a lot . theres been no studys to show who gets it worse do u not think if the government could prove it they would (ram it down smokers throats)passive smokin and lung cancer are to random to be linked ask Roy Castle,s ex band members

[superstacker]

how can you uphold that view when reading Quickshifts post? here we have 2 people who use a van, no-one else is in it and they are bound by law not to smoke in it, surely its affecting other people who didnt make that choice now?


The only issue i can think about with vans is...

Two people work in said van and smoke their cigarettes day in and day out. A new employee starts working for the company and now has to drive the van. Surely the van would smell of cigarettes? What about unloading staff who may have to enter the van?

I appreciate the above may not happen, but if exceptions are made it could complicate the laws?

On a seperate note, the smell of stale beer, sweat and ass isnt the most appealing in nightclubs!

[STEALTH52]

The only people that go in our work van is myself & my work mate, plus the smell of ciggarettes is noy going to harm anyone, it's the smoke!

[Lateshift]

The only issue i can think about with vans is...

Two people work in said van and smoke their cigarettes day in and day out. A new employee starts working for the company and now has to drive the van. Surely the van would smell of cigarettes? What about unloading staff who may have to enter the van?

I appreciate the above may not happen, but if exceptions are made it could complicate the laws?

On a seperate note, the smell of stale beer, sweat and ass isnt the most appealing in nightclubs!

But the law is in place to stop someone having to inhale someone else's smoke, and not the smell of stale cigarettes (although equally disgusting i suppose even for a smoker).

You can't legislate for non smokers whingeing on about the smell of something if the smell isnt actually damaging to your health, if you could people would be getting sued for farting! :D ;)

[The Guvnor]

The smokers can stuff it!
Thats an intelligent comment !

[superstacker]

But the law is in place to stop someone having to inhale someone else's smoke, and not the smell of stale cigarettes (although equally disgusting i suppose even for a smoker).

You can't legislate for non smokers whingeing on about the smell of something if the smell isnt actually damaging to your health, if you could people would be getting sued for farting! :D ;)


Correct in that respect, im just trying to think of why it would be illegal to smoke in your own van...

and i suppose its just a blanket ban, your van is a workplace in the eyes of the law. If everyone in an office smoked (think small company two or three employees), would it be ok for them to smoke as they arnt offending anyone?

I admit i cant think of a reason why your van specifically would pose a problem, but since when is law based on common sense? Think of the 33bhp restriction laws, good idea in theory, but application of said law isn't sound.

[DoodleBug]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt smoking, eating, drinking, phoning all cause to be done for undue care and attention. There was a big purge on it a few years back, one of my wife's uncles got stopped for driving whilst smoking. There were lots of stories in the papers at the time of people being pulled over for stuff like "eating a mars bar whilst driving", oooh chuck away the key, bloody criminals!