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sniffer dagenham
01-12-2007, 05:12 PM
Got this from thr TLB site. Some of you use it so have read this. It does make interesting reading.

Why we wave at other bikers

The bike's passenger seat swept up just enough that I could see over my father's shoulders. That seat was my throne. My dad and I travelled many backroads together...searching for the ones we had never found before. Travelling these roads just to see where they went. Never in a rush, just be home by supper.

I remember wandering down a backroad with my father, sitting on my throne watching the trees whiz by, feeling the rumble of our bike beneath us like a giant contented cat. A motorcycle came over a hill towards us and as it went by, my father threw up his clutch hand and gave a little wave. The other bike waved back with the same friendly swing of his left wrist.

I tapped my dad on the shoulder, which was our signal that I wanted to say something. He cocked his head back slightly while keeping his eyes ahead...

I yelled, "Did you know him?"

"What?"

"You waved at him...who was that?"

"I don't know. Just another guy on a bike....so I waved."

"How come?"

"You just do...it's important."

Later, when we had stopped for ice cream, I asked him why it was so important to wave to other bikers. My dad tried to explain how the wave demonstrated comradeship and a mutual understanding of what it was to enjoy riding a motorcycle. He looked for the words to describe how almost all bikers struggled with the same things like cold, rain, heat, wind, and drivers who didn't see them, but how riding remained an almost pure pleasure.

I was young then and I am not sure that I really understood what he was trying to get across, but it was a beginning of something. Afterwards, I always waved along with my dad whenever we passed other bikes.

I remember one cold October morning when the clouds were heavy and dark, giving us another clue that winter was heading in from just over the horizon. My dad and I were warm inside our car as we headed to a friends house. Rounding a corner, we saw a motorcycle parked on the shoulder of the road. Past the bike, we saw the rider walking thru the ditch, scouring along thru the tall grass, crowned with a touch of frost. Dad pulled over and backed up to where the bike stood.

I asked Dad..."Who's that?"

"Don't know" he replied..."but he seems to have lost something. Maybe we can give him a hand."

We left the car and wandered thru the tall grass ditch to the biker. He said that he had been pulling on his gloves as he rode, and that he had lost one. The three of us spent some time combing the ditch, but all we found were empty cans and bottles.

My dad then turned and headed back to the car and opened the trunk. He rummaged thru various tools, oil containers, and this and that until he found an old pair of crumpled up leather gloves. He continued looking until he found an old catalogue. I understood what he was doing with the gloves....but I had no idea what he needed with the catalogue.

"Here's some gloves for you" my dad said as he handed them to the rider..."and I brought you a catalogue as well."

"Thanks"..I really appreciate it." He reached into his hip pocket and pulled out an old chain wallet.

"Lemme give you some money for the gloves" he said.

"No thanx" dad replied as he handed them to the rider. "They're not worth anything and they're old anyway".

The biker smiled. "Thanx alot."

He pulled the old gloves on and unzipped his jacket. I watched as my dad handed him the catalogue and the biker slipped it inside his coat. He jostled it around, positioning it up high, centered, and then zipped it up. I remembered now making sense of why my dad had given him the catalogue. It would keep him a bit warmer. After wishing the biker well, my dad and I left him warming up his bike.

Two weeks later, the biker came to our home and returned my father's gloves. He had found the address on the catalogue. Neither my father nor the biker seemed to think that my dad stopping at the side of the road for a stranger and giving him a pair of gloves, and that the stranger making sure that the gloves were returned, were events out of the ordinary for people who rode motorcycles. For me, it was another subtle lesson.

It was spring of the next year when I was sitting high on my throne, watching the farm fields slip by when I saw two bikes coming towards us. As they rumbled past, my dad and I waved, but the other bikers kept their sunglasses locked straight ahead and did not acknowledge us. I remember thinking that they must have seen us because our waves were too obvious to miss. Why didn't they wave back? I thought all bikers waved at one another.....

I tapped my dad on the shoulder and yelled..."How come they didn't wave back?"

"Don't know. Sometimes they don't."

I remember feeling very puzzled. Why wouldn't someone wave back?

The next summer, I was finally old enough to learn to ride a motorcycle with a clutch. Many an afternoon were spent on a country lane beside our home, kicking and kicking to start my dad's old 1955 BSA. When it would finally come to a sputtering start, my concentration would grow to a sharp focus, as I tried to let out the clutch slowly enough, and bring us to a smooth take off. More often than not, I would lurch forward.....and begin to attempt to kickstart the motor again.

Eventually, I got my own motorcycle license, and began wandering the backroads on my own. I found myself stopping along sideroads if I saw another biker alone, just to check and see if he needed help.......and I continued to wave at other riders.

But I remained focused as to why some riders never waved back. It left me with almost a feeling of rejection, as if I were reaching to shake someones hand, but they kept their arm hanging by their side.

I began to canvass my friends about waving. I talked with people at biker events, asking what they thought. Most of the old riders told me they waved to other bikers and often initiated the friendly air handshake as they passed one another.

I did meet some riders tho, who told me that they did not wave to other riders because they felt that they were different from other bikers. They felt that they were a "breed apart". One guy told me in rather colorful language, that he did not "wave to no wussies". He went on to say that his kind of bikers were tough, independent, and they did not require or want the help of anyone, whether they rode a bike or not.

I suspected that there were some people who bought a bike because they wanted to purchase an image of being tougher, more independent, a not-putting-up-with-anyone's-crap kind of person, but I didn't think that this was typical of most riders.

People buy bikes for different reasons. Some will be quick to tell you what make it is, how much they paid for it, or how fast it will go. Brand loyalty is going to be strong for some people whether they have a Harley, Ford, Sony, or whatever... Some people want to buy an image and try to purchase another person's perception of them. But it can't be done.

Still, there is a group of people who ride bikes who truly are a breed apart. They appreciate both the engineering and the artistry in the machines they ride. Their bikes become part of who they are and how they define themselves to themselves alone.
They don't care what other people think. They don't care if anyone knows how much they paid for their bike or how fast it goes. The bike means something to them that nothing else does. They ride for themselves and not for anyone else. They don't care whether anyone knows they have a bike. They may not be able to find words to describe what it means to ride, but they still know. They may not be able to describe what it means to feel the smooth acceleration and the strength beneath them. But they understand.

These are the riders who park their bikes, begin to walk away and then stop. They turn and look back. They see something when they look at their bikes that you might not. Something more complex, something that is almost secret, sensed rather than known. They see their passion. They see a part of themselves.

These are the riders who understand why they wave to other motorcyclists. They savour the wave. It symbolizes connection between riders, and if they saw you and your bike on the side of the road, they would stop to help and might not ask your name. They understand what you are up against every time you take your bike on the road.....the drivers that don't see you, the ones that cut you off or tailgate you, the potholes that lie in waiting. The rain. The cold.

I have been shivering and sweating on a bike for more than 40 years. Most of the riders that pass give me a supportive wave. I love it when I see a younger rider on a "crotch rocket" scream past me and wave. New riders carrying on the traditions.

I will continue in my attempts to get every biker just a little closer to one another with a simple wave. And if they do not wave back when I extend my hand into the breeze as I pass them, I will smile a little more. Maybe their just mistaken about who is a "breed apart."

And do you or do you not wave or even nod your head?

RaceMeNSee
01-12-2007, 05:32 PM
mate........that is very deep! i love it! i nod at pretty much everybiker! unless there not wearing protective gear!!!!!then i shake my head! or if there wearing shorts, give em the ****er sign lol

ant_vaz
01-12-2007, 08:11 PM
mate........that is very deep! i love it! i nod at pretty much everybiker! unless there not wearing protective gear!!!!!then i shake my head! or if there wearing shorts, give em the ****er sign lol

Yeah I'd have to agree with this exactly...always nod my head, but never usually wave. Can't stand the t-shirt n shorts brigade

Had a bloke on a BMW tourer pull over n help me sort my battery out the other night, so the respect pays off. always nice to know

The Guvnor
02-12-2007, 06:36 PM
Always nod sometimes wave. And get reall ****ed off for some reason if I get ignored ! :laugh1....tha was a good bit of writing !:clap

Mi5ter E
02-12-2007, 07:41 PM
mate........that is very deep! i love it! i nod at pretty much everybiker! unless there not wearing protective gear!!!!!then i shake my head! or if there wearing shorts, give em the ****er sign lol


lol what he said

Becky B
03-12-2007, 10:54 AM
Always nod sometimes wave. And get reall ****ed off for some reason if I get ignored ! :laugh1....tha was a good bit of writing !:clap
lol same as what he said

chromium05
03-12-2007, 11:23 AM
I always nod, even to people on peds if they're not dressed in Nike Air MAx trainers and Kappa trackys.

ant_vaz
03-12-2007, 12:46 PM
I always nod, even to people on peds if they're not dressed in Nike Air MAx trainers and Kappa trackys.

I can't say I ever really nod to 'ped riders. I only return the gesture if they nod to me first and they seem to be riding like they know what they're doing.

RaceMeNSee
03-12-2007, 12:56 PM
I HAVE noticed that...Since i started to commute to work on my ped.....Barely anyone nods back......Have also noticed how other *ped* riders actually ride though?! RIGHT up cars Arses! with no protective gear on! i pulled one over the other day that happened to be on my journey home.....stopped him......he opened the visor of his Battered Biefe lid ' Sup bro? you wanna race, Innit?!' To which i replied.....' No mate.....not at all! Just thought i would let you know, Your riding like a complete COCK,and giving us all a bad name...theres no need to sit up cars arses! and if they broke hard You would probs die'......he didnt seem to listen and told me to foook orft! Bloody youth of today......as soon as i heard him speak..i wanted to kill him! Grrrr

ant_vaz
03-12-2007, 01:26 PM
Good call there RaceMENSee...the fact he didn't listen to you just shows the mentalitly of some younger riders.
For the first time since getting a bike I had a shouting match with a 'ped rider a couple of weeks ago...he was trying to undertake me along a single carriageway because i was doing 35mph due to the other traffic instead of the 40 limit.
There was very little room between me and the kerb n if he'd come off he'd have probably fallen into me.
After realising my shouting implied I had a small problem with his method of 'making progress' he asked me what the feck i was chattin bout and cut me up...then rode on the wrong side of the road for the next few hundred yards. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgh!!!

:grin3

RaceMeNSee
03-12-2007, 01:46 PM
Real bikers should have the power to revoke L riders liceances on site...if we witness them riding like cocks! lol....that would clear the road of alot of scum!

jim7
03-12-2007, 02:39 PM
Always nod sometimes wave. And get reall ****ed off for some reason if I get ignored ! :laugh1....tha was a good bit of writing !:clap

Yeah me too:laugh1

F**Kin infuriating sometimes.
Also dont like Tidy borrocks kitted out in matching everything who sometimes gives one of them ****-taking sideways nods and then keeps nodding as if is rossi or doohan.That really f***s me off:angrypun
Very Funny when you buzz them and cant catch you:laugh1
although I dont do that sort of thing now dad:grin2

Slimblues
03-12-2007, 05:52 PM
i nod at everyone , if i see its and old boy i wave :P

they always wave back

i only thing its cuz i have a proper jacket hehe

all the little c u next tuedays in there trackies and tn's , i used to nod , but they just look at like wtf mate ?

hehe

edmonds44
03-12-2007, 09:17 PM
On the day after i got my bike i rode it in to work and saw another biker and i was so shocked when they nodded at me! I always nod to others (most people dont nod back because im a L) but never to the chavs in nikes they **** me off and there are millions of them on little peds or one gilera dna!! and they always cut me up or try to overtake me because i stick to the 30 limit and there peds can go 35!!!!!

but the worst thing is because im on a L plate 125 they always seem to nod me!!

Slimblues
03-12-2007, 09:20 PM
On the day after i got my bike i rode it in to work and saw another biker and i was so shocked when they nodded at me! I always nod to others (most people dont nod back because im a L) but never to the chavs in nikes they **** me off and there are millions of them on little peds or one gilera dna!! and they always cut me up or try to overtake me because i stick to the 30 limit and there peds can go 35!!!!!

but the worst thing is because im on a L plate 125 they always seem to nod me!!


im only on ls ,and a 125 , but i wear decent gear , maybe thats why i get nodded , what gear do u wear most bikers are sweet just the peds are f**kers :P

edmonds44
03-12-2007, 09:21 PM
im only on ls , most bikers are sweet just the peds are f**kers :P

what bike u got?

Slimblues
03-12-2007, 09:23 PM
what bike u got?

i just edited my post :P

i got an aprilia rs125 :P its bigger then a r6 so maybe ppl think im decent rom the front then they see my l plate hehe :P if it hasnt fallen off

edmonds44
03-12-2007, 09:26 PM
my plates are fantastic lol gaffer tape all the way!

yeah the same as well i recon my bike looks like an older bike so i think thats why people still nod me.

but surely they can hear it!

I tell you what though i cant wait to do my full test and have a nicer sound then my old girl!

Slimblues
03-12-2007, 09:27 PM
my plates are fantastic lol gaffer tape all the way!

yeah the same as well i recon my bike looks like an older bike so i think thats why people still nod me.

but surely they can hear it!

I tell you what though i cant wait to do my full test and have a nicer sound then my old girl!
same im waiting till after winter , my do my theory test , then the practicle in the spring


dno what to get a 400 or 600

i want a ninja so badly :P i love the green

edmonds44
03-12-2007, 09:29 PM
hehe racemensee has got me into ninjas as well i want a zxr400,

im hopefully gunna do mine just after easter to get some experience on the road first!

Slimblues
03-12-2007, 09:36 PM
hehe racemensee has got me into ninjas as well i want a zxr400,

im hopefully gunna do mine just after easter to get some experience on the road first!



where bouts u from ? should meet up as we have samish bikes

i wish i got a nsr now hehe

edmonds44
03-12-2007, 09:37 PM
from burnham what about u?

my nsr i got cheap off of a mate but i guzzles fuel not a very good first bike but o well. its an oldey as well its an imported G reg lol

Slimblues
03-12-2007, 09:39 PM
im from the narm , dagenham , i have no idea whet u are from i suck at british geography :P

my 2stroke sucks oil , fuel , mantiance im glad my bro in law is buying it off me next year :P

edmonds44
03-12-2007, 09:43 PM
lol well when u get a big bike you will learn where burnham is lol it has 11 really nice bends if your an experienced rider or can corner well (neither of them are me lol) u will love it but dagenham is about a 1 hour slow ride away but we could meet up in benfleet or canvey (the other end of the a13) one day.

Slimblues
03-12-2007, 09:43 PM
wow ur really far from me :O well have to arange a southend meet for something for essex bikers :P

MickyGixer
03-12-2007, 09:44 PM
I do nod, but not so much that I infilct whiplash on myself.:rockon And I REFUSE to acknowledge anything on a moped wearing a hoodie under its lid that waves or nods profusely at me in the other direction or next to me at the lights.:laughboun

Same goes for Piaggio riders with those stupid bloody leg covers that are in leopard print, some girlie was nodding at me at the lights in Shoreditch the other day with one clipped over her legs.:shooter

Lets be fair Im a lady......and Im a snob...rofl...but I think deep down I was jealous as I wanted a leopard print leg cover for me and the Gixer....:cuddle

But I love the write up, I think that may be worthy of a print off and a place on my office wall......

Slimblues
03-12-2007, 09:45 PM
lol well when u get a big bike you will learn where burnham is lol it has 11 really nice bends if your an experienced rider or can corner well (neither of them are me lol) u will love it but dagenham is about a 1 hour slow ride away but we could meet up in benfleet or canvey (the other end of the a13) one day.


check my other post , yeah im still a newbie havent rode in 2 months only passed in june i think , i dont trust my bike at all thats my problem hehe ., maybe we should not talk about this in this thread as its ot and ill makea new threwad tomorrow when im sober :P

sorry for spelling

ben@gerickes
03-12-2007, 09:45 PM
ahhhh that was deep but good reading!

I always nodd..... My favorite is nodding whilst on the back wheel! :)

And I also love burnham! lol

Slimblues
03-12-2007, 09:46 PM
I do nod, but not so much that I infilct whiplash on myself.:rockon And I REFUSE to acknowledge anything on a moped wearing a hoodie under its lid that waves or nods profusely at me in the other direction or next to me at the lights.:laughboun

Same goes for Piaggio riders with those stupid bloody leg covers that are in leopard print, some girlie was nodding at me at the lights in Shoreditch the other day with one clipped over her legs.:shooter

Lets be fair Im a lady......and Im a snob...rofl...but I think deep down I was jealous as I wanted a leopard print leg cover for me and the Gixer....:cuddle
whos on the whip round ? would be quite a sight :D

MickyGixer
03-12-2007, 09:48 PM
whos on the whip round ? would be quite a sight :D


Whips...whips who mentioned whips??:eyewobble








I need one of those to finish the set!:p

Slimblues
03-12-2007, 09:49 PM
Whips...whips who mentioned whips??:eyewobble








I need one of those to finish the set!:p


hehe well we could provide as whip aswell :P

indiana jones style ? hehe

MickyGixer
03-12-2007, 09:52 PM
hehe well we could provide as whip aswell :P

indiana jones style ? hehe

Ohh no I'm not greedy I don't think I could manage Indies big boulder!




Maybe more catwoman...I have got the boots for that!

Slimblues
03-12-2007, 09:54 PM
Ohh no I'm not greedy I don't think I could manage Indies big boulder!




Maybe more catwoman...I have got the boots for that!

hehehe


did someone watch batman returns the other night ? :P

MickyGixer
03-12-2007, 09:57 PM
hehehe


did someone watch batman returns the other night ? :P


rofl....no, I have a fabulous imagination....:reading

Slimblues
03-12-2007, 09:58 PM
rofl....no, I have a fabulous imagination....:reading


ill let ya off then , essex bikers needs to have a costume party i think :P , in the warm season of course :P

chromium05
04-12-2007, 02:07 AM
essex bikers needs to have a costume party i think :P , in the warm season of course :P

Bagsy coming as Lovejoy.